On Apr 21, 8:37 pm, Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 20, 8:36 am, 1Z <peterdjo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > On Apr 5, 1:37 pm, Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > What do you say the efficient cause of feeling is?
> > Some priori brain state.
> What could make a brain state cause a feeling?
A psychophsical law or identity.
> > > > > Otherwise I can just say that a
> > > > > deterministic universe includes libertarian free will, ghosts &
> > > > > goblins, whatever.
> > > > Libertarian free will contradicts the requirment
> > > > for sufficent causes.
> > > No more than feeling.
> > No, Feeling isn't defined in terms of the presence or absence
> > of any kind of determinism or causality.
> Causality is a condition within feeling,
> as is free will. Feeling
> gives rise to free will directly.
> Whoever is doing the feeling is
> ultimately determining the expression of their own free will.
> > > >The others don;t contradict determinism.
> > > Why not?
> > They are not defined in terms of it or its absence.
> You are the only one defining free will in terms of an absence of
> causality. I see clearly that causality arises out of feeling and free
Maybe you could make that clear to the rest of us.
> > > > > What business does a feeling have being in a
> > > > > universe that is essentially a very sophisticated clock?
> > > > Something happened that would cause a feeling.
> > > Are you being serious?
> > Yes. Why shouldn't you have laws of the form
> > "If <<see kitten>> then <<feel warm and gooey>>" ?
> Because there is no logic to it.
Statements of scientific law tend not to be analytical in any case.
>If you are positing a universe ruled
> by laws of mechanistic logic, then you are required to demonstrate
> that logic somehow applies to feeling, which it doesn't. If you have
> mechanism, you don't need feeling.
I dare say vast tracts of the universe are unnecessary.
> You can have data compression and
> caching without inventing poetry.
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