On Apr 21, 8:37 pm, Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Apr 20, 8:36 am, 1Z <peterdjo...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Apr 5, 1:37 pm, Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > What do you say the efficient cause of feeling is? > > > Some priori brain state. > > What could make a brain state cause a feeling?
A psychophsical law or identity. > > > > > Otherwise I can just say that a > > > > > deterministic universe includes libertarian free will, ghosts & > > > > > goblins, whatever. > > > > > Libertarian free will contradicts the requirment > > > > for sufficent causes. > > > > No more than feeling. > > > No, Feeling isn't defined in terms of the presence or absence > > of any kind of determinism or causality. > > Causality is a condition within feeling, says who? > as is free will. Feeling > gives rise to free will directly. Says who? > Whoever is doing the feeling is > ultimately determining the expression of their own free will. Says who? > > > >The others don;t contradict determinism. > > > > Why not? > > > They are not defined in terms of it or its absence. > > You are the only one defining free will in terms of an absence of > causality. I see clearly that causality arises out of feeling and free > will. Maybe you could make that clear to the rest of us. > > > > > What business does a feeling have being in a > > > > > universe that is essentially a very sophisticated clock? > > > > > Something happened that would cause a feeling. > > > > Are you being serious? > > > Yes. Why shouldn't you have laws of the form > > "If <<see kitten>> then <<feel warm and gooey>>" ? > > Because there is no logic to it. Statements of scientific law tend not to be analytical in any case. >If you are positing a universe ruled > by laws of mechanistic logic, then you are required to demonstrate > that logic somehow applies to feeling, which it doesn't. If you have > mechanism, you don't need feeling. I dare say vast tracts of the universe are unnecessary. > You can have data compression and > caching without inventing poetry. > > Craig -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
