On Apr 27, 6:13 pm, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote: > On 4/27/2012 7:29 AM, 1Z wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 25, 10:25 pm, meekerdb<[email protected]> wrote: > >> On 4/25/2012 11:45 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: > > >>> On 24.04.2012 22:22 meekerdb said the following: > >>> ... > >>>> As I've posted before, when we know how look at a brain and infer what > >>>> it's thinking and we know how to build a brain that behaves as we want, > >>>> in other words when we can do consciousness engineering, the "hard > >>>> problem" will be bypassed as a metaphysical non-question, like "Where > >>>> did the elan vital go?" > >>>> Brent > >>> This is a position expressed by Jeffrey Gray as follows (he does not > >>> share it): > >>> �What looks like a Hard Problem will cease to be one when we have > >>> understood the errors > >>> in our ways of speaking about the issues involved. If the route were > >>> successful, we > >>> would rejoin the normal stance: once our head have been straightened out, > >>> science could > >>> again just get on with the job of filling in the details of empirical > >>> knowledge.� > >>> Evgenii > >>>http://blog.rudnyi.ru/tag/jeffrey-a-gray > >> I think the main mistake in formulating the 'hard problem' is thinking > >> that we can't > >> explain consciousness with mathematical theories like mechanics, > >> astrophysics, quantum > >> mechanics. The mistake isn't that we can explain consciousness, it's > >> supposing that we > >> can explain physics. We don't explain mechanics or gravity or > >> electrodynamics - we have > >> models for them that work, they are predictive and can be used to control > >> and design > >> things. Bruno points out that *primitive matter* doesn't add anything to > >> physics. When > >> asked what explained the gravitational force Newton said, "Hypothesi non > >> fingo". Someday, > >> consciousness will be looked at similarly. > > >> Brent > > Is that any different to regarding cosnc. as fundamental, as dualists > > do? > > I think it is. We don't regard elan vital as fundamental, we just gave up > looking for > it. We decided life is a process, not a substance. > > Brent
So if I decide consc. is a process not a substance, will my pains stop hurting and my food stop tasing and my vision stop being colourful? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
