On Apr 30, 2:30 am, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On 4/29/2012 5:26 PM, 1Z wrote:
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> > On Apr 29, 8:37 pm, meekerdb<meeke...@verizon.net>  wrote:
> >> On 4/29/2012 3:22 AM, 1Z wrote:
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> >>> On Apr 27, 11:19 pm, meekerdb<meeke...@verizon.net>   wrote:
> >>>>>> That's why I said, except for people who believe in philosophical 
> >>>>>> zombies.
> >>>>>> Brent
> >>>>> A quailess AI isn;t a p-zombie. A p-zombie is physically identical to
> >>>>> a human. An AI will be
> >>>>> made out of silicon or something, which could naturalsitically explain
> >>>>> its lack of qualia.
> >>>>> That is a different matter. With the possible exception of Craig, we
> >>>>> all think our  toasters are
> >>>>> zombies.
> >>>> But if our robots behave as intelligently as humans we (except Craig) 
> >>>> will suppose they
> >>>> have qualia too.
> >>>> Brent
> >>> I don't see e why. We already don't, i n several senses. We don't
> >>> attribute qualia to gadget that are
> >>> smarter than us at specific tasks such as playing chess. We also don't
> >>> expect sci fi AIs such as Mr DataA
> >>> to havea emotions or qualia...in fact we seem to have the intuition
> >>> that they are qualiless *because* they
> >>> are so one sidedly logical. Why would qualia help with intelligence
> >>> anyway? If our AIs showed aesthetic  flair,
> >>> empathy, artistic creatviity etc, that would be another matter. How
> >>> could you be a great painter without colour
> >>> qualia? But that's not exactly intelligence.
> >> By 'behave intelligently' I intended to convey 'with purpose and 
> >> reflection' and just
> >> 'logical'.
> > Why would reflection (higher order thought), or purpose, require
> > qualia?
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>   I didn't say they would, I said we will suppose they have qualia.
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> Brent

I don;t think we would infer qualia from intelligence, because we seem
not to at the moment.

And if qualia are not needed for intellgence, it would not work as an
abductive argument anyway.

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