On Apr 30, 2:53 am, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On 4/29/2012 6:37 PM, 1Z wrote:
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> > On Apr 30, 2:30 am, meekerdb<meeke...@verizon.net>  wrote:
> >> On 4/29/2012 5:26 PM, 1Z wrote:
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> >>> On Apr 29, 8:37 pm, meekerdb<meeke...@verizon.net>    wrote:
> >>>> On 4/29/2012 3:22 AM, 1Z wrote:
> >>>>> On Apr 27, 11:19 pm, meekerdb<meeke...@verizon.net>     wrote:
> >>>>>>>> That's why I said, except for people who believe in philosophical 
> >>>>>>>> zombies.
> >>>>>>>> Brent
> >>>>>>> A quailess AI isn;t a p-zombie. A p-zombie is physically identical to
> >>>>>>> a human. An AI will be
> >>>>>>> made out of silicon or something, which could naturalsitically explain
> >>>>>>> its lack of qualia.
> >>>>>>> That is a different matter. With the possible exception of Craig, we
> >>>>>>> all think our  toasters are
> >>>>>>> zombies.
> >>>>>> But if our robots behave as intelligently as humans we (except Craig) 
> >>>>>> will suppose they
> >>>>>> have qualia too.
> >>>>>> Brent
> >>>>> I don't see e why. We already don't, i n several senses. We don't
> >>>>> attribute qualia to gadget that are
> >>>>> smarter than us at specific tasks such as playing chess. We also don't
> >>>>> expect sci fi AIs such as Mr DataA
> >>>>> to havea emotions or qualia...in fact we seem to have the intuition
> >>>>> that they are qualiless *because* they
> >>>>> are so one sidedly logical. Why would qualia help with intelligence
> >>>>> anyway? If our AIs showed aesthetic  flair,
> >>>>> empathy, artistic creatviity etc, that would be another matter. How
> >>>>> could you be a great painter without colour
> >>>>> qualia? But that's not exactly intelligence.
> >>>> By 'behave intelligently' I intended to convey 'with purpose and 
> >>>> reflection' and just
> >>>> 'logical'.
> >>> Why would reflection (higher order thought), or purpose, require
> >>> qualia?
> >>    I didn't say they would, I said we will suppose they have qualia.
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> >> Brent
> > I don;t think we would infer qualia from intelligence, because we seem
> > not to at the moment.
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> I think we do.  My dog acts intelligently and most people suppose he 
> experiences qualia.

I don't suppose he has solved any crosswords lately. On the other
hand, he is flesh
and blood, unlike the much more intelligent Mr Data.

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