On Apr 30, 2:53 am, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote: > On 4/29/2012 6:37 PM, 1Z wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 30, 2:30 am, meekerdb<[email protected]> wrote: > >> On 4/29/2012 5:26 PM, 1Z wrote: > > >>> On Apr 29, 8:37 pm, meekerdb<[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> On 4/29/2012 3:22 AM, 1Z wrote: > >>>>> On Apr 27, 11:19 pm, meekerdb<[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>>> That's why I said, except for people who believe in philosophical > >>>>>>>> zombies. > >>>>>>>> Brent > >>>>>>> A quailess AI isn;t a p-zombie. A p-zombie is physically identical to > >>>>>>> a human. An AI will be > >>>>>>> made out of silicon or something, which could naturalsitically explain > >>>>>>> its lack of qualia. > >>>>>>> That is a different matter. With the possible exception of Craig, we > >>>>>>> all think our toasters are > >>>>>>> zombies. > >>>>>> But if our robots behave as intelligently as humans we (except Craig) > >>>>>> will suppose they > >>>>>> have qualia too. > >>>>>> Brent > >>>>> I don't see e why. We already don't, i n several senses. We don't > >>>>> attribute qualia to gadget that are > >>>>> smarter than us at specific tasks such as playing chess. We also don't > >>>>> expect sci fi AIs such as Mr DataA > >>>>> to havea emotions or qualia...in fact we seem to have the intuition > >>>>> that they are qualiless *because* they > >>>>> are so one sidedly logical. Why would qualia help with intelligence > >>>>> anyway? If our AIs showed aesthetic flair, > >>>>> empathy, artistic creatviity etc, that would be another matter. How > >>>>> could you be a great painter without colour > >>>>> qualia? But that's not exactly intelligence. > >>>> By 'behave intelligently' I intended to convey 'with purpose and > >>>> reflection' and just > >>>> 'logical'. > >>> Why would reflection (higher order thought), or purpose, require > >>> qualia? > >> I didn't say they would, I said we will suppose they have qualia. > > >> Brent > > I don;t think we would infer qualia from intelligence, because we seem > > not to at the moment. > > I think we do. My dog acts intelligently and most people suppose he > experiences qualia.
I don't suppose he has solved any crosswords lately. On the other hand, he is flesh and blood, unlike the much more intelligent Mr Data. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
