On 5/21/2012 10:56 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2012/5/22 Stephen P. King <stephe...@charter.net <mailto:stephe...@charter.net>>
On 5/21/2012 3:49 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2012/5/21 Stephen P. King <stephe...@charter.net
<mailto:stephe...@charter.net>>
On 5/21/2012 7:54 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2012/5/21 Stephen P. King <stephe...@charter.net
<mailto:stephe...@charter.net>>
On 5/21/2012 1:55 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
No it's not a computation, it arises because at every step,
computations diverge into new sets of infinite computations,
giving
rise to the 1p indeterminacy.
Quentin
Hi Quentin,
So could we agree that the idea that the universe is
defined/determined
ab initio ("in the beginning") is refuted by this?
I don't know what you mean here... but in comp the universe per se does
not
exist, it emerges from computations and is not an object by itself
(independent of computations).
Dear Quentin,
My interest is philosophy so I am asking questions in an attempt to
learn
about peoples ideas. Now I am learning about yours. Your sentence here
implies
to me that only "objects" (considered as capable of being separate and
isolated
from all others) can "exist". Only "objects" exist and not, for example,
processes. Is this correct?
No, it depends what you mean by existing. When I say "in comp the universe
per se
does not exist", I mean it does not exist ontologically as it emerge from
computations. Existence means different thing at different level.
Does a table exist ? It depends at which level you describe it.
Dear Quentin,
I am trying to understand exactly how you think and define words.
By "exist"
Existence is dependent on the level of description, and can be seperated by what exists
ontologically and what exists epistemologically. So it depends on the theory you use to
define existence.
I would favor a theory which would define existence by what can be experienced/observed.
Maybe it's a lack of imagination, but I don't know what it would mean for a thing to
exist and never be observed/experienced.
You're not likely to experience a quark or even an atom. What exists is determined by
your model of the world. Even parts of the model that make no possible difference to the
experiences the model predicts may be kept because they make the theory simpler, e.g.
infinitesimal distances in physics.
Brent
are you considering capacity of the referent of a word, say table, of being
actually
experiencing by anyone that might happen to be in its vecinity or otherwise
capable
of being causally affected by the presence and non-presence of the table?
I still don't understand what you mean by "the idea that the universe is
defined/determined ab initio ("in the beginning") is refuted by this".
Regards,
Quentin
Don't worry about that for now. Let us nail down what "existence" is
first.
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Onward!
Stephen
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~ Francis Bacon
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