On Sat, May 26, 2012 Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com> wrote: > I nominate does not 'happen for a reason'
Then what you nominate is as random as it is idiotic. Idiots do things for no reason, smart people do things for reasons. > the reason happens for my nomination. Read that again and explain to me what the hell it means. > Read Bruno's answer. Free will is just will with degrees of freedom. > So free will is a will that is free and a klogknee backstanator is a backstanator that is klogknee. > What is wrong with that? I admit it's true, all circular definitions are true, but they are somewhat lacking in usefulness. > If you are trapped in a cage, you have will but not a lot of free will. > Why is that so difficult to admit? I admit that if I'm trapped in a cage I can't do what my will wants me to do, and I admit that whatever it is my will wants me to do it does so for a reason or it does not. > > Without free will, there could be no important distinction between being > a slave and being free. > Cannot comment, don't know what ASCII string "free will" means and neither do you. > > I suspect that I may have solved the hard problem of consciousness. > I'll alert the press. >> I admit that some things happen for no reason, some things are random. >> > > > So your opinions are random. That's not what I said. > Why debate them? Again you're asking me the reasons I do things, you're demanding to know what caused me to do stuff, but this time you're asking the reason there is no reason and I have no reasonable answer except that's the way my brain is wired. > you are colorblind to free will, Cannot comment, don't know what ASCII string "free will" means and neither do you. > you will have to take my word in all matters relating to free will. NO you are entirely wrong, I don't have to do any such thing. I choose not to take your word on the merits of that silly "free will" noise; and of one thing you can be absolutely certain, I made that choice for a reason or I made that choice for no reason. > It doesn't matter what the reason is. If there really is a reason then >> it's deterministic if there is no reason then it's random. >> > > > If you don't know what the reason is, then how can you claim that reason > must be deterministic. Because the defining characteristic of reason is determinism, if you get a different output every time you feed in the identical input then it's not reason and it's not deterministic. > conditions don't give water much opportunity to express anything like > free will. Cannot comment, don't know what ASCII string "free will" means and neither do you. > In what possible way is that not free will? Cannot comment, don't know what ASCII string "free will" means and neither do you. > my free will determines what is deterministic. > Then if this thing called "free will" determines that jumping off the 40'th floor will not deterministically cause you to turn into a greasy splat on the sidewalk far below then it would be safe to make such a jump. Good luck with that. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
