On 5/29/2012 8:11 PM, Aleksandr Lokshin wrote:
The original poster introduces what free will means.
1) Every choice which is allowed in physics is a random choice or a determinate
one.
2) If human free will choice exists, it is agreed that it is not determined by some law
and is not a random process.
3)We have agfeed that the choice of "an arbitrary element" is not a random chaice and is
not a choice determinate by some law.
We haven't even agreed that it is a choice. It's just using a function, as in (. is an
element of X) so (x is an element of X)->true and (y is an element of X)->false. (all x
|x an element of X) doesn't involve choosing an element x, just specifying a function that
defines X. Then it is a "choice determinate by some law." And whether X is infinite or
finite is a red herring. Suppose I said,"Consider an arbitrary person with no feet. Then
he has no toenails." This is a perfectly valid inference whether there are finitely many
or infinitely many persons in the multiverse.
Brent
4)Therefore I do call it "a free will choice in mathematics". One can consider it as a
definition of a specific "free will choice in mathematics".
5) If one uses mathematics, then one operates with a process which is prohibited in
physics. Therefore an investigator who uses mathematics cannot deny existence of mental
processes which cannot be described by physics (and, in particular, cannot deny
existence of free will, even if "free will" is not introduced explicitly).
Good luck.
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 6:39 AM, Stephen P. King <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
On 5/29/2012 2:09 PM, Joseph Knight wrote:
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:52 PM, John Clark <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
On Sun, May 27, 2012 Aleksandr Lokshin <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> All main mathematical notions ( such as infinity, variable,
integer
number) implicitly
depend on the notion of free will.
Because nobody can explain what the ASCII string "free will" means the
above
statement is of no value.
Precisely. The original poster should introduce some sensible definition of
free
will. Good luck!
The "belief" in a particular perceived outcome given some state of
affairs?
--
Onward!
Stephen
"Nature, to be commanded, must be obeyed."
~ Francis Bacon
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
"Everything List" group.
To post to this group, send email to [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
[email protected]
<mailto:everything-list%[email protected]>.
For more options, visit this group at
http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything
List" group.
To post to this group, send email to [email protected].
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
[email protected].
For more options, visit this group at
http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
"Everything List" group.
To post to this group, send email to [email protected].
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
[email protected].
For more options, visit this group at
http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
