On 5/29/2012 8:11 PM, Aleksandr Lokshin wrote:

The original poster introduces what free will means. 1) Every choice which is allowed in physics is a random choice or a determinate one.2) If human free will choice exists, it is agreed that it is not determined by some lawand is not a random process.3)We have agfeed that the choice of "an arbitrary element" is not a random chaice and isnot a choice determinate by some law.

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`We haven't even agreed that it is a choice. It's just using a function, as in (. is an`

`element of X) so (x is an element of X)->true and (y is an element of X)->false. (all x`

`|x an element of X) doesn't involve choosing an element x, just specifying a function that`

`defines X. Then it is a "choice determinate by some law." And whether X is infinite or`

`finite is a red herring. Suppose I said,"Consider an arbitrary person with no feet. Then`

`he has no toenails." This is a perfectly valid inference whether there are finitely many`

`or infinitely many persons in the multiverse.`

Brent

4)Therefore I do call it "a free will choice in mathematics". One can consider it as adefinition of a specific "free will choice in mathematics".5) If one uses mathematics, then one operates with a process which is prohibited inphysics. Therefore an investigator who uses mathematics cannot deny existence of mentalprocesses which cannot be described by physics (and, in particular, cannot denyexistence of free will, even if "free will" is not introduced explicitly).Good luck.On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 6:39 AM, Stephen P. King <stephe...@charter.net<mailto:stephe...@charter.net>> wrote:On 5/29/2012 2:09 PM, Joseph Knight wrote:On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:52 PM, John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com <mailto:johnkcl...@gmail.com>> wrote: On Sun, May 27, 2012 Aleksandr Lokshin <aaloks...@gmail.com <mailto:aaloks...@gmail.com>> wrote: > All main mathematical notions ( such as infinity, variable, integer number) implicitlydepend on the notion of free will.Because nobody can explain what the ASCII string "free will" means the above statement is of no value. Precisely. The original poster should introduce some sensible definition of free will. Good luck!The "belief" in a particular perceived outcome given some state of affairs?--Onward!Stephen "Nature, to be commanded, must be obeyed." ~ Francis Bacon--You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups"Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com <mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:everything-list%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. --You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "EverythingList" group.To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.

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