On Tue, May 29, 2012 Aleksandr Lokshin <aaloks...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The original poster introduces what free will means.
Every choice which is allowed in physics is a random choice
OK, In other words it had no cause.
> or a determinate one.
In other words it had a cause.
> If human free will choice exists, it is agreed that it is not determined
> by some law
In other words "free will" has no cause and thus is random.
> > and is not a random process.
In other words "free will" is random and not random. In still other words
when a human
makes the "free will" noise it conveys just as much information as a cow
does when it
makes the "moo" noise.
> >We have agfeed that the choice of "an arbitrary element" is not a random
and is not a choice determinate by some law.
In other words we have agreed that "free will" is gibberish.
> > If one uses mathematics, then one operates with a process which is
> prohibited in physics.
"Free will" is not just prohibited in physics, it is prohibited in logic
> > Therefore an investigator who uses mathematics cannot deny existence of
> mental processes
which cannot be described by physics (and, in particular, cannot deny
> existence of free will
That is true, you can't deny "free will" because there is nothing to deny,
there is no there there.
It would be like denying a duck's "quack".
John K Clark
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