On Tue, May 29, 2012 Aleksandr Lokshin <aaloks...@gmail.com> wrote: > The original poster introduces what free will means.
Every choice which is allowed in physics is a random choice OK, In other words it had no cause. > or a determinate one. > In other words it had a cause. > If human free will choice exists, it is agreed that it is not determined > by some law > In other words "free will" has no cause and thus is random. > > and is not a random process. > In other words "free will" is random and not random. In still other words when a human makes the "free will" noise it conveys just as much information as a cow does when it makes the "moo" noise. > >We have agfeed that the choice of "an arbitrary element" is not a random > chaice > and is not a choice determinate by some law. > In other words we have agreed that "free will" is gibberish. > > If one uses mathematics, then one operates with a process which is > prohibited in physics. > "Free will" is not just prohibited in physics, it is prohibited in logic too. > > Therefore an investigator who uses mathematics cannot deny existence of > mental processes > which cannot be described by physics (and, in particular, cannot deny > existence of free will > That is true, you can't deny "free will" because there is nothing to deny, there is no there there. It would be like denying a duck's "quack". John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to email@example.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.