On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 6:18 PM, Brian Tenneson <[email protected]> wrote:
> I think people make choices from among available options many times every > day and that is why the concept in question exists. I agree that people make choices. I dont't think it is free will. You said that people would believe that it would unfair to punish anyone if there were no "free will". I agree that people believe that > > On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 9:15 AM, R AM <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 6:08 PM, Brian Tenneson <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Speaking of the legal aspect, >>> Yes, Hitler exercised his *insert gibberish here* when he issued orders >>> to kill the Jews. >>> IF "*gibberish*" does not exist, then how can we hold criminals culpable >>> in that they had no choice but to commit crime? Seems unfair to punish >>> anyone under those circumstances. >> >> >> Perhaps the concept of free-will exists because people think it is unfair >> to punish anyone under those circumstances? >> >> >>> On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 9:05 AM, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 8:53 AM, John Clark <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > while you do not *always* know what you're going to do, you know >>>>>> your preferences most of the time. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> And Turing proved that some of the time a computer can tell if it will >>>>> eventually stop or not, but not all of the time. >>>>> >>>>> > The feeling of 'free will' comes from the inability >>>>>> retrospectively to see all the causes; so that, out of ignorance, it >>>>>> seems >>>>>> that one could have done otherwise. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Yes, and unlike other definitions of "free will" this one is not >>>>> gibberish, however when you boil it down all it's really saying is you >>>>> don't know what you don't know. The highest status the philosophical >>>>> "concept" called "free will" can aspire to is that of being right but >>>>> trivially circular, most of the time it's not even that, most of the time >>>>> it's just gibberish. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Aside from the philosophical concept, there is the social/legal concept >>>> of not coerced, referred to as exercising 'free will', which is what >>>> Stenger proposes just to call "autonomy". >>>> >>>> Brent >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
