I think people make choices from among available options many times every day and that is why the concept in question exists.
On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 9:15 AM, R AM <[email protected]> wrote: > On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 6:08 PM, Brian Tenneson <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Speaking of the legal aspect, >> Yes, Hitler exercised his *insert gibberish here* when he issued orders >> to kill the Jews. >> IF "*gibberish*" does not exist, then how can we hold criminals culpable >> in that they had no choice but to commit crime? Seems unfair to punish >> anyone under those circumstances. > > > Perhaps the concept of free-will exists because people think it is unfair > to punish anyone under those circumstances? > > >> On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 9:05 AM, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 8:53 AM, John Clark <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> > while you do not *always* know what you're going to do, you know >>>>> your preferences most of the time. >>>>> >>>> >>>> And Turing proved that some of the time a computer can tell if it will >>>> eventually stop or not, but not all of the time. >>>> >>>> > The feeling of 'free will' comes from the inability >>>>> retrospectively to see all the causes; so that, out of ignorance, it seems >>>>> that one could have done otherwise. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Yes, and unlike other definitions of "free will" this one is not >>>> gibberish, however when you boil it down all it's really saying is you >>>> don't know what you don't know. The highest status the philosophical >>>> "concept" called "free will" can aspire to is that of being right but >>>> trivially circular, most of the time it's not even that, most of the time >>>> it's just gibberish. >>>> >>> >>> Aside from the philosophical concept, there is the social/legal concept >>> of not coerced, referred to as exercising 'free will', which is what >>> Stenger proposes just to call "autonomy". >>> >>> Brent >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
