I think people make choices from among available options many times every
day and that is why the concept in question exists.

On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 9:15 AM, R AM <ramra...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 6:08 PM, Brian Tenneson <tenn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Speaking of the legal aspect,
>> Yes, Hitler exercised his *insert gibberish here* when he issued orders
>> to kill the Jews.
>> IF "*gibberish*" does not exist, then how can we hold criminals culpable
>> in that they had no choice but to commit crime?  Seems unfair to punish
>> anyone under those circumstances.
>
>
> Perhaps the concept of free-will exists because people think it is unfair
> to punish anyone under those circumstances?
>
>
>> On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 9:05 AM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 8:53 AM, John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012  meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  > while you do not *always* know what you're going to do, you know
>>>>> your preferences most of the time.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And Turing proved that some of the time a computer can tell if it will
>>>> eventually stop or not, but not all of the time.
>>>>
>>>>   > The feeling of 'free will' comes from the inability
>>>>> retrospectively to see all the causes; so that, out of ignorance, it seems
>>>>> that one could have done otherwise.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, and unlike other definitions of "free will" this one is not
>>>> gibberish, however when you boil it down all it's really saying is you
>>>> don't know what you don't know. The highest status the philosophical
>>>> "concept" called "free will" can aspire to is that of being right but
>>>> trivially circular, most of the time it's not even that, most of the time
>>>> it's just gibberish.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Aside from the philosophical concept, there is the social/legal concept
>>> of not coerced, referred to as exercising 'free will', which is what
>>> Stenger proposes just to call "autonomy".
>>>
>>> Brent
>>>
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