On Jun 5, 3:14 am, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On 6/4/2012 6:54 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
>
> > On Jun 4, 8:57 pm, Stathis Papaioannou<stath...@gmail.com>  wrote:
>
> >> If you want to think that, fine. If it upsets you, I'm sorry. If it
> >> upsets you and therefore you conclude that it's not true, then your
> >> thinking is fallacious.
> > There's nothing upsetting about it, I just don't understand how we can
> > talk about deciding that we are powerless to make decisions. I'm
> > trying to figure out how that makes sense to anyone.
>
> Brains are made of the same stuff as everything else (up and down quarks, 
> electrons,
> photons). We have no reason to believe that this stuff obeys different laws 
> when it's in a
> brain, from which we conclude that whatever brains do it's determined

insamuch as it is determined

>by these same laws.
> I'm happy to call that 'free will' so long as your not coerced (however you 
> want to draw
> the coerced/not-coerced line).  In which case, since we're not coerced, we 
> are not
> powerless, we're just deterministic (mostly).
>
> Brent

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