On 02.07.2012 21:08 meekerdb said the following:
On 7/2/2012 11:50 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
On 02.07.2012 20:12 meekerdb said the following:
On 7/2/2012 7:36 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
Do you really not see any difference between tables and chairs
and people and numbers,
Chairs and people are also mathematical objects, just really
complex ones with a large information content. This is the
necessary conclusion of anyone who believes physical laws are
No, it's a necessary conclusion of anyone who cannot distinguish
a description from the thing described.
Where to will you place 'description' in the physicalism? Is this
just some excitation of natural neural nets or something else?
The description is in Platonia.
This is presumably one of the reasons that Popper at the end has come to
World 3 (equivalent of Platonia):
“If I am right that the physical world has been changed by the world 3
products of the human mind, acting through the intervention of the human
mind then this means that the worlds 1, 2, and 3, can interact and,
therefore, that none of them is causally closed. The thesis that the
physical world is not causally closed but that it can be acted upon by
world 2 and, through its intervention, by world 3, seems to be
particularly hard to swallow for the materialist monist, or the
Yet, as a consequence this should mean as Popper mentioned that "the
physical world is not causally closed".
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