On 3 July 2012 08:09, Stathis Papaioannou <stath...@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm pretty sure John understands the argument but he prefers to give
> primacy to the objective/third-person viewpoint. The first-person
> viewpoint involves an assumption that I am a single person travelling
> through time in the forward direction, which when looked at
> objectively is an illusion. Some people are offended by illusions.

If that is indeed the case, Stathis, it would spare us all a great deal of
pointless argument if he simply made this preference as explicit as you
have just done.  If that is what we are talking about, then I agree that
the subjective experience of moving forwards in time is essentially
illusory, in the sense that each individuated first-person perspective
obscures a deeper, more general level of explanation.  But the
indeterminacy being discussed here precisely concerns appearances from the
individuated perspective; the "illusion" itself, if you like.  This is the
whole point of the argument. Hence attempting to evade it by dint of
substituting an "objective" description is an absolutely classic example of
a straw man.


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