Le 19-juil.-12, à 15:56, R AM a écrit :
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 12:33 PM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be>
Le 18-juil.-12, à 15:28, R AM a écrit :
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 2:12 PM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be>
I gave a definition of compatibilist free-will which is not "without
coercion". I define free-will as the ability to make willing-full
absence of complete information, and in the presence of the awareness
ignorance for some near future. I can practice that free-will even
home, like when hesitating between coffee and tea.
Why not call it decision making? or will? why free-will? free from
Free from knowledge of the future, for example. But I don't like the
"free" in free will. Free will, for some compatibilist, can mean
"genuine". It is an emphasis.
I guess you mean by "metaphysical free-will" the usual spurious
based on third person indeterminacy.
I think metaphysical free-will implies third person indeterminacy.
That is what I thought, but I have no idea of what that could mean. God
does not play dice, or I prefer to be a plumber :)
free-will is perceived by people as some sort of "power" to make
absolutely free decisions.
I believe that is the case, from the first person point of view. It is
an "absolute free decision", even if a God can predict it: I cannot. It
is relative only from the third person perspective, but absolute from
the first person pov, a bit like being unique.
It does not exist if we assume
computationalism. But a slight difference introduced in that
(replace the 3-indeterminacy by a weaker self-indeterminacy, based on
and not on the first person indeterminacy) makes the notion full of
and provable for all universal machine having enough cognitive
Indeterminacy is a consequence of metaphysical free-will,
Here I agree with John Clark. I have no idea of what can be
indeterminacy in any third person way, even if comp is false.
but it's not
free-will in itself. Your first-person indeterminacy implies that all
possible decisions are made. I don't think this fits well with the
idea of metaphysical free-will.
In a sense, all decisions are made, but they are not first person
decision. They are first person decision only from the point of view of
a subject, who is internal to the structure, and so for him, it is a
genuine personal decision. It is absolute and real, it is NOT an
illusion. In the Outer God's eyes it is not a decision, as all
arithmetical sentences are decided in "his" eyes, but the key point is
that we are not the outer God. So our decision can be free and are no
more an illusion than matter, consciousness and any sort of internal
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