2012/7/29 John Clark <[email protected]> > On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 6:48 PM, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Is it just the uncertainty due to computational time (which is what >> I.J. Good seems to mean) in consciousness, or is it uncertainty due to >> unconscious processes which may spring into consciousness and change your >> (conscious) mind about which action to take? >> > > For purposes of this discussion I don't see how the answer to your > question makes any difference. Unconscious processes just like conscious > ones happen for a reason, in which case they are deterministic, or they > happen for no reason, in which case they are random. How the noise "free > will" produced in the oral cavity of some members of a species called Homo > sapiens is supposed to fit into all this I have no idea. I've long since > given up on figuring out if people have "free will" or not and now have a > more modest goal, I just want to know what the hell the term means; and > nobody can tell me. >
It was explained to you several time, (compatibilist) free will is will without coercion... I can't even see why it 's so much trouble for you to understand that. It could be stupid, that does not mean it does not have a definition compatible with deterministic theories. It's not related to random or not, but with liberty which is a high level thing. Compatibilist free will means it is ****compatible**** with deterministic theories. When Bruno talks about 3rd person determinism, it is either in computationalist or MWI framework... which *are* deterministic. When you answer WTF ?? you don't answer in those theories, if MWI is true (or comp), then 3p is deterministic. Quentin > > John K Clark > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > -- All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
