On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote: >>The problem is I have no conception of free will and neither do you nor >> does anybody else, at least not a consistent coherent one that has any >> depth. >> > > > This contradicts your own definition of free will that you already find > "much better". It is hard to follow you. >
That's because you aren't paying attention. I said the values of other definitions of free will were negative but mine was much more valuable, it has zero value. >> 2) Free Will is the inability to always predict ones actions even in a >> unchanging environment. >> > > >My definition is basically your "2)", and this since the beginning. > And you can restate it as "you don't know what the result of a calculation will be until you finish it" ; unlike other free will definitions it's clear and isn't self contradictory, but it also isn't deep and it isn't useful so its value is zero, but zero is greater than -10 or -100. > You do the same error as with theology and notions of Gods. You want them > to be handled only by the crackpots. > Crackpots should have a monopoly on crackpot ideas and theology and notions of God are crackpot ideas. >> Intelligence theories are not nearly as easy to come up with [as > consciousness theories] but are far far easier to test, its simple to > separate the good from the bad. > > > It is actually very simple. I define a machine as intelligent, if it is > not a stupid machine. > I did not ask for a definition I asked for the Fundamental Theorem of Intelligence that explains how intelligence works and can be proven to be correct by making a dumb thing, like a collection of microchips, smart. Hard to come up with but simple to test, it would be the other way around if we were dreaming up new consciousness theories. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to firstname.lastname@example.org. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.