On 8/11/2012 6:00 AM, Roger wrote:
Hi meekerdb
No, the agent is not part of the material world, it is nonmaterial.
It has no extension and so is outside of spacetime.
Mind itself is such (as Descartes observed).


Maybe. But wherever 'the agent' is, it is a non-explanation of agency. If you're going to explain something you have to explain it in terms of something else that is better understood. So to 'explain' mind as being an immaterial agent is vacuous.

Brent

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8/11/2012

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    *Subject:* Re: Where's the agent ? Who or what does stuff and is aware of 
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    On 8/10/2012 5:53 AM, Roger wrote:
    Hi Russell Standish
    But Dennet has no agent to react to all of those signals.
    To perceive. To judge. To cause action.

    If he had an agent he would have failed to explain anything -  he would 
have just
    pushed the problem off into the "agent".

    To do those, an agent has to be unified and singular -- a point of focus--
    and there's no propect for such in current neuroscience/neurophilosophy.

    But that's Dennett's point.  Humans aren't that way.  They may do something 
because
    of X and yet think they did it because of Y.  This is blatant in split brain
    experiments where the subjects brain on one side makes a reasonable 
decision based
    on the information available to it; while the other side, which doesn't 
have that
    information, confabulates a completely different story about the decision.  
This is
    most obvious in split brain patients, but it happens to the rest of us too. 
 There
    is only one action because a physical body can't do two different things at 
the same
    time; but that doesn't mean the person is not of two minds.

    Brent

    Hence I follow Leibniz, even though he's difficult and some say
    contradictory. That agent or soul or self you have is your
    monad, the only (alhough indirectly) perceiving/acting/feeling
    agent in all of us, but currently missing in neuroscience and
    neurophilosophy.

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