Hi William R. Buckley 

Hwere's how I see it:


1.  The object is the object of a subject, so is mostly a grammatical term.

2.  The subject is the observer or doer and so is grammatical term.

3 The object can be either physical (such as metter) where it has extension in 
space
    or nonphysical (such as mind), where it is unextended (outside of 
spacetime).

4. Outside of spacetime means the entity has nonlocality. Hence telepathy, 
prayer, etc.
    are possible in some situations (where one has clearer less undistorted 
mental vision or intelligence).

 

Roger , rclo...@verizon.net
8/14/2012 
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Subject: RE: Why AI is impossible


Roger:

Nothing in the universe is objective.  Objectivity is an ideal.

When the physicist seeks to make some measure of the 
physical universe, he or she necessarily must use some other 
part of the physical universe by which to obtain that measure.

QED.

The physical universe is purely subjective.

wrb

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Hi Evgenii Rudnyi 

This is not going to make you computer folks happy, sorry.

Life is whatever can experience its surroundings,
nonlife cannot do so.  That's the difference.

Intelligence requires the ability to experience what it is selecting.
So only life can have intelligence.

Life is subjective, nonlife is objective.

Computers cannot experience anything because they are not subjective, 
only objective. Everytthing must be in words, not directly experienced.
Thus computers cannot be (truly) intelligent. And AI is impossible,
because only living items can experience the world..


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Time: 2012-08-11, 10:22:44
Subject: Re: Definitions of intelligence possibly useful to computers in AI 
ordescribing life

On 11.08.2012 15:13 Stephen P. King said the following:
> On 8/11/2012 4:30 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
>> On 10.08.2012 00:55 Russell Standish said the following:
>>> The point being that life need not be intelligent. In fact 999.9% of
>>> life (but whatever measure, numbers, biomass etc) is unintelligent.
>>>
>>> The study of artificial life by the same reason need not be a study of
>>> artitificial intelligence, although because of a biases as an
>>> intelligent species, a significantly higher fraction of alife research
>>> is about AI.
>>>
>>
>> What does intelligence means in this context that life is
>> unintelligent? Let us compare for example a bacterium and a rock.
>> Where there is more intelligence?
>>
>> Evgenii
>>
> Dear Evgenii,
>
> A bacterium and a rock should not be put head to (no)head in this
> question. A bacterium has autonomy while a rock does not. It is better
> to see that the rock is just a small piece of an autonomous whole and
> then compare that whole to the (whole) bacterium.
>

My goal was just to try to understand what Russell meant by life is 
unintelligent. Say let us take some creations of AI and compare them 
with a bacterium. Where do we find more intelligence?

Evgenii

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