On 8/17/2012 10:48 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:

Hi Craig,On 15 Aug 2012, at 11:21, Craig Weinberg wrote:in case the special characters don't come out...I was thinking about your primitive of arithmetic truth (numbers, 0,+, and *, right?) and then your concept of ‘the dreams of numbers’,interviewing Lobian Machines, etc and came up with this.One single irreducible digit ॐ (Om) which represents a self-dividingcontinuum of infinite perpendicular dialectics between eidetic dreamstates (in which dream~numbers escape their numerical identities asimmersive qualitative experiences) and entopic non-dream states (inwhich number~dreams escape their dream nature as literalalgebra-geometries).I use such term more literally. I am not sure I can understand this,even if there is some genuine analogy.The dreaming number are usually very big concrete number. They dreamby encoding computational state of person, relatively to someuniversal number, which are encoding universal machine relatively tosome other one, and the initial one can be chosen arbitrary. Those arenot symbolic number, but real encoding number, a bit like the genomeif you want.

Dear Bruno,

`Could you elaborate as to how you explain the means by which an`

`encoding (which is an equivalence relation of sorts between one set and`

`another) is a generative action such that dreams obtain? I would very`

`much like to better understand how you obtain the appearance of chance`

`from purely static relations. I ask this as I simply do not see how you`

`can claim to explain actions in terms of purely non-active relations.`

`Craig's ideas assume activity at a primitive level and thus puts his`

`considerations at odds with yours in an almost irreconcilable way.`

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