On 8/17/2012 1:49 PM, Roger wrote:
Hi Stephen P. King
The possible only exists in this world given enough time.
HI Roger,
I would say that the possible is only expressed and/or actualize in
the physical worlds, but it itself must be eternally prior to all
expressions.
That is one practical argument against the creation of life in a
deterministic world.
I disagree, if only because determinism is only approximate and
never absolute. The computational resources required by a Laplacean
demon are infinite even if we assume a purely Newtonian universe (which
we know that we do not exist in).
Some say 19 billion years of random constructions isn't enough.
Random constructions can only be ergodic. Do not neglect the role
of selection that self-reproducing systems engender. This is the concept
that creationists ignore to their peril.
Roger , [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
8/17/2012
Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so
everything could function."
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On 8/14/2012 7:37 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 2:07 PM, Stephen P. King
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
On 8/14/2012 10:45 AM, Roger wrote:
Hi Stephen P. King
Leibniz' best possible world is a conjecture
based on L's two worlds of logic:
1) There is logic that is either always true or false,
called the logic of reason or necessity.
One could call this "theory"
2) The logic of contingency, also called the logic of
"fact", experimental result,
or praxis, which can be true or false -- depending on
the perfection of the entity
or the time of occurrence. "actuality"
Most people who acccuse God of injustice or unfairness by a
supposedly loving God
confuse theory with actuality. Earthquakes do occur because
the world has imperfections
or cracks ior the cointinental plaes don't fit perfectly
together.
And any fact must be that way for a reason, the reason also
may be contingent, etc.
up the line.
"Everything that is possible demands to exist." -- Leibniz
If everything possible exists (in Plato's heaven / the omniscient
mind of God) then so do all universes, all possible histories,
all possible observations and experiences, all points of view,
all traces of the execution of all programs, etc. Thus, if God
is omniscient, he can't help the fact that bad things happen.
Jason
Hi Jason,
Yes, all that is necessarily possible exists. This makes
existence neutral and having nothing to do with anything else.
Properties arise from partitioning portions of what exists against
each other. Properties, like truth values and locations, are not a
priori. They are contextual and thus contingent. Existence is not
contingent on anything other than raw necessary possibility.
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Onward!
Stephen
"Nature, to be commanded, must be obeyed."
~ Francis Bacon
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