On 31 Aug 2012, at 12:16, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Bruno Marchal
Yes, cannabis is moral when used to treat illneses.
But not moral (not health-enhancing) in all situations.
I agree.
Like mobile phones is moral when used to call an ambulance.
But not moral when driving a car, as it is shown to be dangerously
distracting.
Few things are moral in all situations.
Bruno
Roger Clough, [email protected]
8/31/2012
Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him
so that everything could function."
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On 31 Aug 2012, at 10:54, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Bruno Marchal
If IMHO the moral is that which enhances life,
then not working tends to be immoral.
OK.
Again, this makes cannabis moral, as some (sick if you want) people
come back through work thanks to it. usually people with parkinson,
cancers, depression, .... (Cannabis cures more than 2000 diseases,
and improves the condition of much more sickness and debilitating
conditions). That was the point.
It is interesting to try to combine this definition
with evolution. You might enhance your own life
(and chance of generating more humans) by
defeating a competitor, but the overall outcome
would be a wash (be amoral). Not sure.
I think that in dealing with morality, the
whole group should be considered -- at
least from the viewpoint of a god.
OK.
Bruno
Roger Clough, [email protected]
8/31/2012
Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him
so that everything could function."
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Subject: Re: No Chinese Room Necessary
On 29 Aug 2012, at 22:30, meekerdb wrote:
From experience I know people tend not to adopt it, but let me
recommend a distinction. Moral is what I expect of myself.
Ethics is what I do and what I hope other people will do in their
interactions with other people. They of course tend to overlap
since I will be ashamed of myself if I cheat someone, so it's both
immoral and unethical. But they are not the same. If I spent my
time smoking pot and not working I'd be disappointed in myself,
but it wouldn't be unethical.
I'm not sure I understand. "not working" wouldn't be immoral
either. Disappointing, yes, but immoral?
BTW:
I would not relate pot with not working. Some people don't work and
smoke pot, and then blame pot for their non working, but some
people smokes pot and work very well. The only researcher I knew
smoking pot from early morning to evening, everyday, since hies
early childhood, was the one who published the most, and get the
most prestigious post in the US.
As a math teacher, since I told students that blaming pot will not
been allowed for justifying exam problems, some students realize
that they were using pot to lie to themselves on their motivation
for study. It is so easy.
Likewise, if we were allowed to drive while being drunk, after a
while the number of car accidents due to alcohol would probably
diminish a lot, because the real culprit is not this product or
that behavior, but irresponsibility, which is encouraged by
treating adults like children. I think.
Bruno
On 8/29/2012 8:54 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
Not only to lie. In order to commerce and in general to
interact, we need to know what to expect from whom. and the other
need to know what the others expect form me. So I have to reflect
on myself in order to act in the enviromnent of the moral and
material expectations that others have about me. This is the
origin of reflective individuality, that is moral from
the beginning..
2012/8/29 meekerdb <[email protected]>
But Craig makes a point when he says computers only deal in
words. That's why something having human like intelligence and
consciousness must be a robot, something that can act wordlessly
in it's environment. Evolutionarily speaking, conscious
narrative is an add-on on top of subconscious thought which is
responsible for almost everything we do. Julian Jaynes theorized
that humans did not become conscious in the modern sense until
they engaged in inter-tribal commerce and it became important to
learn to lie.
Brent
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