Bruno,

In comp, what is the function of god.

My hope is that the function of a god
might be to reduce 3p tp 1p.

Everything else seems to be capable
of running according to algorithms.

Is there anything in comp
that is non-algorithmic?
Richard

On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 8:42 AM, Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net> wrote:

>  Hi John Clark
>
> Indeed the world contains much misery and injustice
> simply because it isn't Heaven. Leibniz said that
> without God, it could have been a lot worse.
>
>
> Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
> 9/3/2012
> Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him
> so that everything could function."
>
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> *Time:* 2012-08-31, 13:17:47
> *Subject:* Re: Is evolution moral ?
>
>  On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 4:54 AM, Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net>wrote:
>
> > Is Evolution Moral?�
>>
>
> I think Evolution is a hideously cruel process and if I were God I would
> have done things very differently, I would have made intense physical pain
> a physical impossibility, but unfortunately that Yahweh punk got the job
> and not me.
>
> The minimum requirement for calling oneself religious is a belief in God,
> and if there is anybody who calls himself religious who doesn't think that
> God is benevolent I have yet to meet him. And yet I maintain that a
> benevolent God is totally inconsistent with Evolution, which can produce
> grand and beautiful things but only after eons of monstrous cruelty.
>
>  �> the moral is that which enhances life
>>
>
> I think that's true, and if so then morality is subject to Evolution just
> like anything else that enhances life. And if its made by something as
> messy as Evolution then you wouldn't expect a moral system to be entirely
> free of self contradictions. Consider the moral thought experiments devised
> by Judith Jarvis Thomson:
>
> 1) A trolley is running out of control down a track. In its path are five
> people who have been tied to the track by a mad philosopher. Fortunately
> you could flip a switch, which will lead the trolley down a different track
> saving the lives of the five. Unfortunately there is a single person tied
> to that track. Should you flip the switch and kill one man or do nothing
> and just watch five people die?
>
> 2) As before, a trolley is hurtling down a track towards five people. You
> are on a bridge under which it will pass, and you can stop it by dropping a
> heavy weight in front of it. As it happens, there is a very fat man next to
> you, your only way to stop the trolley is to push him over the bridge and
> onto the track killing him to save five people. Should you push the fat man
> over the edge or do nothing?
>
> Almost everybody feels in their gut that the second scenario is much more
> questionable morally than the first, I do too, and yet really it's the same
> thing and the outcome is identical. The feeling that the second scenario is
> more evil than the first seems to hold true across all cultures; they even
> made slight variations of it involving canoes and crocodiles for south
> American Indians in Amazonia and they felt that #2 was more evil too. So
> there must be some code of behavior built into our DNA and it really
> shouldn't be a surprise that it's not 100% consistent; Evolution would have
> gained little survival value perfecting it to that extent, it works good
> enough at producing group cohesion as it is.
>
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