JohnC thanks. I expected better from you: *"...we couldn't know anything until we knew everything*,..." In general I am missing from your statements *"I THINK"* as* * *esasing *the heaviness of the ideas. We think we know a lot, call it: conventional sciences etc., with a brilliant technology that is *ALMOST * good (discount the mishaps that occur) and that convivtion is growing with the millennia. KNOW???
*"...the commonplace use of elementary logic* ..." is an application of yesterday's standard inventory of human thinking. Logic also changed as we learned more over time. "Elementary"??? *"... I recognize life when I see it..." * you *THINK *you do. I was asking to elaborate upon those signs you see as basis of such recognition. Nobody can argue with your unspecified feelings. John M On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 11:02 AM, John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 1:55 PM, John Mikes <jami...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > in (my) deterministic agnosticism everything is entailed (var: causal) > > > That belief is not consistent with the observation of real life. If that > were true we couldn't know anything until we knew everything, and clearly > we don't know everything but we do know something. > > > I cannot argue that 'everything is causal >> > > Neither can I, but I can argue that everything is causal or everything is > not causal. For reasons I don't understand this conclusion from the > commonplace use of elementary logic is surprising and controversial to > people around here. > > > I have no discerning description of it. Life? I don't know what it is. >> > > But I recognize life when I see it, and in general examples are much more > important than definitions. I can't define intelligence either, perhaps I'm > just not intelligent enough to do that, but I know of examples of it and > examples that seem to lack it. > > John K Clark > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to firstname.lastname@example.org. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to email@example.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.