On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 8:29 AM, Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net> wrote:

  > While computers are causal
>

Yes.

> perception is not causal. Nothing that living things do is causal.
>

Nothing??? So when you're running and perceive a brick wall directly in
front of you getting larger by the second that perception has nothing to do
with you stopping just before you hit the wall. If "nothing" about living
things is causal there would be no point in having sense organs, in fact
there would be no point in having organs of any sort because they wouldn't
operate.

  John K Clark

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