My experience is that canabis increases my motivation and creativity. Am I an exception?
On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy <multiplecit...@gmail.com> wrote: > I agree with those statements. I just found the discussion a bit biased > towards "the dangers of Cannabis" and lacking in perspective. > > For instance, it was claimed, and still is often claimed "Cannabis reduces > motivation". The notorious British pot writer Howard Marks replies to this > in his book "Mr. Nice", as a very motivated trafficker and smoker of > marijuana in the 70s and 80s, that (I paraphrase) "when on Cannabis, its > just very difficult to do the things you really don't want to do. It's the > plants way of reminding us that we are free to pursue the things we want to, > and if we're just more serious about being lazy enough, we can probably > devise ways of securing our lives with less effort. But doing the things we > like, Cannabis is a motivator. It's natural that somebody working in an > job-environment exploiting them, will not want to work if they take a couple > of puffs. I don't think they're demotivated, but if stagnation and > depression persists, they should probably relax more, reorient their lives > to making a more enjoyable living, more easily. And if not they should > forget Cannabis." > > It also forces teens to become inventive with their laziness, as they go > seek out liminal cracks between the edifices of civilization and nature. The > places teenagers retreat to, when they get stoned: forest edges, panoramic > vistas in nature, some magical hidden spot in a park. In the age of getting > lost in Facebook and fancy mobile phones, this escapist behavior is > relatively benign, if not positive for development of mind. > > Sure it can be dangerous when people get locked in their own boredom and > don't pick up the sense of letting go of fixed ideals, to pursue something > better; but mostly they do and relative to background of other addictions > and the behavioral modifications they produce, the dangers are relatively > small, and that a "cannabis ideology" paired with an open mind, is one of > the few dependencies, that reverberate beyond personal satisfaction and > create benefits for society, as all the books, poetry, art, thinking, and > music it has inspired, are aimed at relaxing our fixations with threats, > evils, making judgements and instead, chilling us out a bit. This type of > dis-inhibition is more benign than alcohol. > > I find media consumption, gambling, and nursing of the majority of > obsessions and fetishes to some form of "fixed ideal" people lock themselves > up with, much more problematic. So yes, we agree on the prohibition things, > that there are danger etc. but I thought it should be noted equally, that > there are benefits for more than billionaires and rich people, and that > these are not exceptional in any way. It's just not talked about for obvious > reasons, even though we all benefit from the creative attitudes of beatles, > stones, hendrix, or pink floyd etc. once in awhile. > > > > On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote: >> >> >> On 02 Sep 2012, at 16:38, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: >> >> It depends what standards for and quality of information you have on >> something. >> >> People shouldn't judge what they do not understand. Bruno you understand >> what Krokodil entails, with solid information, so trying it is nonsense. But >> I don't think most understand what Cannabis entails because of >> misinformation. To most people what Krokodil entails is the same as >> Cannabis. >> >> I let a singer songwriter make the point lacking in this thread >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhKq9JvssB8 >> >> :) >> >> Paraphrasing old Nietsche: >> Whoever does not know how to hit the nail on the head should be asked not >> to hit it at all. >> >> To which I would add: >> They should be asked to leave, or at least get out of the way. >> >> >> I think we agree, OK? (or I miss something?). >> >> Prohibition is exactly what makes information impossible. If all drugs >> were legal, Krokodil would never have appeared, and everybody would know >> that cannabis is less toxic (if toxic at all) compared to crack, meth, and >> krokodil (except it would not exist in that case). >> >> If cannabis was not illegal, nobody would ever hide its many medicinal >> qualities. >> >> The deep point is that food and drug is not the business of any >> collectivity. People should be judged on the harm they do, not on the >> speculation that they might react in some way with some products. >> Prohibition is dangerous as it kills democracy, notably. >> >> Like the NDAA, fortunately suspended by the supreme court. It would have >> made possible to detain without trial, for arbitrary time anyone belonging >> to a fuzzy category of "suspects of threat", like if the human rights were >> not universal: it makes no sense to delimitate a class of people to whom the >> human rights and the constitutional right don't apply. Prohibition and NDAA >> belongs to the family of tyrannic technic to maintain anti-democratic >> powers. >> >> >> Bruno >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To post to this group, send email to email@example.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >> >> >> http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To post to this group, send email to firstname.lastname@example.org. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to email@example.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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