My experience is that canabis
increases my motivation and creativity.
Am I an exception?

On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy
<multiplecit...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I agree with those statements. I just found the discussion a bit biased
> towards "the dangers of Cannabis" and lacking in perspective.
>
> For instance, it was claimed, and still is often claimed "Cannabis reduces
> motivation". The notorious British pot writer Howard Marks replies to this
> in his book "Mr. Nice", as a very motivated trafficker and smoker of
> marijuana in the 70s and 80s, that (I paraphrase) "when on Cannabis, its
> just very difficult to do the things you really don't want to do. It's the
> plants way of reminding us that we are free to pursue the things we want to,
> and if we're just more serious about being lazy enough, we can probably
> devise ways of securing our lives with less effort. But doing the things we
> like, Cannabis is a motivator. It's natural that somebody working in an
> job-environment exploiting them, will not want to work if they take a couple
> of puffs. I don't think they're demotivated, but if stagnation and
> depression persists, they should probably relax more, reorient their lives
> to making a more enjoyable living, more easily. And if not they should
> forget Cannabis."
>
> It also forces teens to become inventive with their laziness, as they go
> seek out liminal cracks between the edifices of civilization and nature. The
> places teenagers retreat to, when they get stoned: forest edges, panoramic
> vistas in nature, some magical hidden spot in a park. In the age of getting
> lost in Facebook and fancy mobile phones, this escapist behavior is
> relatively benign, if not positive for development of mind.
>
> Sure it can be dangerous when people get locked in their own boredom and
> don't pick up the sense of letting go of fixed ideals, to pursue something
> better; but mostly they do and relative to background of other addictions
> and the behavioral modifications they produce, the dangers are relatively
> small, and that a "cannabis ideology" paired with an open mind, is one of
> the few dependencies, that reverberate beyond personal satisfaction and
> create benefits for society, as all the books, poetry, art, thinking, and
> music it has inspired, are aimed at relaxing our fixations with threats,
> evils, making judgements and instead, chilling us out a bit. This type of
> dis-inhibition is more benign than alcohol.
>
> I find media consumption, gambling, and nursing of the majority of
> obsessions and fetishes to some form of "fixed ideal" people lock themselves
> up with, much more problematic. So yes, we agree on the prohibition things,
> that there are danger etc. but I thought it should be noted equally, that
> there are benefits for more than billionaires and rich people, and that
> these are not exceptional in any way. It's just not talked about for obvious
> reasons, even though we all benefit from the creative attitudes of beatles,
> stones, hendrix, or pink floyd etc. once in awhile.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 02 Sep 2012, at 16:38, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote:
>>
>> It depends what standards for and quality of information you have on
>> something.
>>
>> People shouldn't judge what they do not understand. Bruno you understand
>> what Krokodil entails, with solid information, so trying it is nonsense. But
>> I don't think most understand what Cannabis entails because of
>> misinformation. To most people what Krokodil entails is the same as
>> Cannabis.
>>
>> I let a singer songwriter make the point lacking in this thread
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhKq9JvssB8
>>
>> :)
>>
>> Paraphrasing old Nietsche:
>> Whoever does not know how to hit the nail on the head should be asked not
>> to hit it at all.
>>
>> To which I would add:
>> They should be asked to leave, or at least get out of the way.
>>
>>
>> I think we agree, OK? (or I miss something?).
>>
>> Prohibition is exactly what makes information impossible. If all drugs
>> were legal, Krokodil would never have appeared, and everybody would know
>> that cannabis is less toxic (if toxic at all) compared to crack, meth, and
>> krokodil (except it would not exist in that case).
>>
>> If cannabis was not illegal, nobody would ever hide its many medicinal
>> qualities.
>>
>> The deep point is that food and drug is not the business of any
>> collectivity. People should be judged on the harm they do, not on the
>> speculation that they might react in some way with some products.
>> Prohibition is dangerous as it kills democracy, notably.
>>
>> Like the NDAA, fortunately suspended by the supreme court. It would have
>> made possible to detain without trial, for arbitrary time anyone belonging
>> to a fuzzy category of "suspects of threat", like if the human rights were
>> not universal: it makes no sense to delimitate a class of people to whom the
>> human rights and the constitutional right don't apply. Prohibition and NDAA
>> belongs to the family of tyrannic technic to maintain anti-democratic
>> powers.
>>
>>
>> Bruno
>>
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