On 9/4/2012 1:19 PM, Jason Resch wrote:



On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Stephen P. King <stephe...@charter.net <mailto:stephe...@charter.net>> wrote:

    On 9/4/2012 11:17 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
    Hi Jason Resch
    IMHO Not to disparage the superb work that computers can do,
    but I think that it is a mistake to anthropo-morphise the computer.
    It has no intelligence, no life, no awareness, there's
    nothing magic about it. It's just a complex bunch of diodes and
    transistors.

    Hi Roger,

        Please leave magic out of this, as "any sufficiently advanced
    technology is indistinguishable from magic
    <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarke%27s_three_laws>". The trouble
    is that the stuff in our skulls does not appear to be that much
    different from a bunch of diodes and transistors.

        Our brains obey the very same physical laws! What makes the
    brain special?


I agree with what you say above.

    I suspect that the brain uses quantum entanglement effects to both
    synchronize and update sense content in ways that cannot obtain
    from purely classical physical methods.


What leads you to suspect this?

The weird delay effect that Libet et al observed as discussed here <http://www.dichotomistic.com/mind_readings_chapter%20on%20libet.html>. Quantum entanglement allows for a variable "window of duration" via the EPR effect. If we look at a QM system, there is no delay in changes of the state of the system. All of the "parts" of it operate simultaneously, not matter how far apart them might be when we think of them as distributed in space time. This is the "spooky action at a distance" that has upset the classical scientists for so long. It has even been shown that one can derive the appearance of classical type signaling from the quantum pseudo-telepathy effect <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_pseudo-telepathy>.


    Our mechanical machines lack the ability to report on their 1p
    content thus we are using their disability to argue against their
    possible abilities. A computer that could both generate an
    internal self-model and report on it would lead us to very
    different conclusions!


I agree.

Jason
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The point that I am making is that our brain seems to be continuously generating a virtual reality model of the world that includes our body and what we are conscious of is that model. Does a "machine" made up of gears, springs and levers do this? Could one made of diodes and transistors do it? Maybe...

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Onward!

Stephen

http://webpages.charter.net/stephenk1/Outlaw/Outlaw.html

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