# Re: Re: Where do numbers and geometry come from ?

```Hi Stephen P. King

It does have some problems if you include non-euclidean geometry and all of
that.
But I equate necessary with rational (in that realm).  You can simply answer
Yes or No. ```
```

Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
9/7/2012
Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him
so that everything could function."
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From: Stephen P. King
Time: 2012-09-07, 10:01:22
Subject: Re: Where do numbers and geometry come from ?

On 9/7/2012 7:21 AM, Roger Clough wrote:

Hi Stephen P. King

I believe that what is necessarily true (rationally true)
had to be always true and thus a priori.

Dear Roger,

But this is just a matter of definition. It remains to be explained how the
necessity is achived and how it is so in the many possible worlds.

Man may think he
created numbers or whatever, but whatever was there
before man (to allow physics etc. to happen) something else
had to create. Man simply discovered numbers.

Certainly we can agree that we have a common concept of "numbers" but they
are not concrete entities that we can locate in our "space" and "time" and do
not have any other properties such as mass, charge, spin, duration. Therefore
we have to not use the same terminology and "common sense" with numbers as we
do with ordinary objects of the world. One of my motivations as a student of
philosophy, is to explore multiple ways to bring the common sense in alignment
with the requirements of abstractions, like numbers and to look forward from
this alignment to see what might be indicated or predicted.

Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
9/7/2012
Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him
so that everything could function."
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From: Stephen P. King
Time: 2012-09-06, 11:35:56
Subject: Re: Where do numbers and geometry come from ?

Dear Roger,

Why is it that people persist in even suggesting that numbers are "created
by man"? Why the anthropocentric bias? Pink Ponies might have actually crated
them, or Polka-dotted Unicorns! The idea is just silly! The point is that
properties do not occur at the whim of any one thing, never have and never will.

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Onward!

Stephen

http://webpages.charter.net/stephenk1/Outlaw/Outlaw.html

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