# Re: Where do numbers and geometry come from ?

```On 9/7/2012 10:27 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
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```Hi Stephen P. King
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It does have some problems if you include non-euclidean geometry and all of that. But I equate necessary with rational (in that realm). You can simply answer Yes or No.

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Dear Roger,

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My questions cannot be captured in such crisp terms as I am not even sure of the premises of my questions. Exploration requires complete and transparent honesty with oneself. We cannot search for truth as if it where at some location on a map, to do so is to search for the end or rainbows.
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```Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net <mailto:rclo...@verizon.net>
9/7/2012
Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him
so that everything could function."

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*From:* Stephen P. King <mailto:stephe...@charter.net>
*Time:* 2012-09-07, 10:01:22
*Subject:* Re: Where do numbers and geometry come from ?

On 9/7/2012 7:21 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
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```    Hi Stephen P. King

I believe that what is necessarily true (rationally true)
had to be always true and thus a priori.
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Dear Roger,

But this is just a matter of definition. It remains to be
explained how the necessity is achived and how it is so in the
many possible worlds.

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```    Man may think he
created numbers or whatever, but whatever was there
before man (to allow physics etc. to happen) something else
had to create.Man simply discovered numbers.
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Certainly we can agree that we have a common concept of
"numbers" but they are not concrete entities that we can locate in
our "space" and "time" and do not have any other properties such
as mass, charge, spin, duration. Therefore we have to not use the
same terminology and "common sense" with numbers as we do with
ordinary objects of the world. One of my motivations as a student
of philosophy, is to explore multiple ways to bring the common
sense in alignment with the requirements of abstractions, like
numbers and to look forward from this alignment to see what might
be indicated or predicted.

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Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net <mailto:rclo...@verizon.net>
9/7/2012
Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him
so that everything could function."

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*From:* Stephen P. King <mailto:stephe...@charter.net>
*Time:* 2012-09-06, 11:35:56
*Subject:* Re: Where do numbers and geometry come from ?

Dear Roger,

Why is it that people persist in even suggesting that
numbers are "created by man"? Why the anthropocentric bias?
Pink Ponies might have actually crated them, or Polka-dotted
Unicorns! The idea is just silly! The point is that
properties do not occur at the whim of any one thing, never
have and never will.

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