Hi Stathis Papaioannou 

IMHO Intelligence, as I see it, is the ability to make choices autonomously 
(one's own choices).
    One could, if so desired, lie about something. Or create something 
nonscientific (a watercolor)

Robot choices made by software or hardware are not autonomous because somebody 
outside constructed them.

Only living entities seem to have that mental freedom, freedom to make choices 
independently
of hardware/software. Or at least mostly independent.

So robots can be neither alive nor have any intelligence.


Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
9/6/2012 
Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him 
so that everything could function."
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From: Stathis Papaioannou 
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Time: 2012-09-05, 21:21:03
Subject: Re: Sane2004 Step One


On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Wednesday, September 5, 2012 3:13:05 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote:
>>
>> On 9/5/2012 5:17 AM, Craig wrote:
>>
>> The test that I would use would be, as I have mentioned, to have someone
>> be
>> > walked off of their brain one hemisphere at a time, and then walked back
>> > on.
>> > Ideally this process would be repeated several times for different
>> > durations. That is the only test that could possibly work as far as I
>> > can
>> > tell - of course it wouldn't prove success or failure beyond any
>> > theoretical
>> > doubt, but it would be a pretty good indicator.
>>
>>
>> How would that work? The person would always respond to questions, like,
>> "Do you feel any different?" in exactly the same way. How would you tell
>> whether they really felt the same or just said they did?
>
>
> It would work because the person responding to the questions would be you.
> You would know what the experience of surviving the brain transfer was like.
> That is how you can tell whether you really felt the same is by actually
> feeling the same.

But you couldn't realise you felt different if the part of your brain
responsible for realising were receiving exactly the same inputs from
the rest of the brain. So you could feel different, or feel nothing,
but maintain the delusional belief that nothing had changed.


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