Why are we even considering the thoughts of paranoids? Are they in
control of our daily lives?
On 9/9/2012 10:30 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Sunday, September 9, 2012 7:25:57 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote:
Hi Craig Weinberg
I really don't know much about the John Birch Society,
"The John Birch Society has its roots in the 1950s when*it opposed the
U.S.’s affirming the human rights principles of the United Nations*.
It was used as a grassroots corollary to McCarthyism, insisting that
imagined Communists were standing behind every light pole, ready to
end the world as we know it. It still sees itself as fighting
Communism, as well as the New World Order (whatever that is!), big
government, the Civil Rights Movement, feminism, wealth redistribution
and more. You are not likely to hear the John Birch Society using
epithets or spewing base language; its values are more carefully
hidden behind flag-waving and obscure and irrelevant legal principles.
Its words are cloaked in concern for the "direction of the nation."
John Birchers *opposed the **1964 Civil Rights Act*,
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1964_Civil_Rights_Act> saying it
violates the Tenth Amendment
to the United States Constitution and overstepped the rights of
individual states to enact laws regarding civil rights.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_rights> On its website, the John
Birch Society complains that
"President Obama - the man who got fawning media treatment for no
reason, was elected with a thin resume and exalted without even being
a king - has now been given the Noble Peace Prize." The John Birch
Society also opposes health care reform, gun control, public schools
and a host of other progressive causes.
The Right-wing "watch" group, Public Research Associates,
<http://www.publiceye.org/tooclose/jbs.html> notes: "(T)he Birch
society *pioneered the encoding of implicit cultural forms of
ethnocentric White racism and Christian nationalist antisemitism*
rather than relying on the White supremacist biological determinism
and open loathing of Jews that had typified the old right prior to
WWII. Throughout its existence, however, the Society has promoted open
homophobia and sexism."
Because it is more "libertarian" than openly racist, anti-Semitic and
sexist, the John Birch Society is often not characterized as a hate
group like the Ku Klux Klan
<http://www.splcenter.org/intel/map/type.jsp?DT=7> or the Federation
for American Immigration Reform (FAIR),
least as defined by the Southern Poverty Law Center.
<http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intpro.jsp> One way the John Birch
Society escapes that designation is because it receives support
<http://watch.pair.com/jbs-cnp.html> from prominent politicians and
elected officials. Birchers work hard to mask the anti-human rights
beliefs that underlie their opinions." (from
but googling it up, find that it was once falsely accused of being
no doubt due to over-zealous liberal hatred of conservatism.
The KKK was very racist. As far as I know it's mostly dead. Good.
Huh? Hate groups are huge. The KKK is pretty small (about 100 chapters
and 5000 members from the estimate I just saw), but there are many
more Aryan groups, growing fast. As has been pointed out - not all
conservatives are racists, but clearly the overwhelming majority
(perhaps all?) racists are conservative. There are no liberals in any
A greater sin, IMHO is political correctness, supported by Al-qaeda,
which is sending America down the toilet. If you don't see that,
no amount of explaining on my part will enlighten you.
Political correctness certainly can be irritating, but it is also
important to protect groups who are vulnerable from threats that
escalate violence. Anti-American/Anti-Western terrorism around the
world is certainly a threat, but not really a significant one for
American citizens. Certainly nothing on the order of the response,
which has amounted to open surveillance and unrestrained powers of
control over the population. There is a far, far greater chance of
being struck by lightning than being affected by terrorism:
"A companion piece
in the /Wall Street Journal/ lays out the statistics. Since 2000, the
odds of you dying as a result of a terrorist act aboard a commercial
American airliner is 1 in 25 million. The odds of getting struck by
lightning: 1 in 500,000."
Political correctness has not frozen wages for 35 years. Political
correctness has not outsourced millions of jobs. Political correctness
doesn't evade paying taxes in offshore accounts and lobbying for tax
cuts for the rich. It didn't deregulate the banking industry and make
billions of dollars disappear into a few people's pockets. These are
the things that threaten America. Political correctness? What? Rush
Limbaugh is being hampered in his free expression by liberals? The
threat has always been fascism - from the left or the right. Hate, not
politeness. Brutality not sensitivity.
As you say though, if you don't see that already, I can't make you see it.
Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him
so that everything could function."
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*Time:* 2012-09-08, 13:30:43
*Subject:* Re: Re: Racism ? How's that implied ?
On Saturday, September 8, 2012 9:34:45 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote:
because ironically and
paradoxically they see the world in terms of race.
Conservatives attempt to live by facts. I never
saw racism in what what I wrote until you brought
the subject up.
Are you familiar with the KKK? The John Birch Society? Would
you call those liberal organizations? I don't want to get into
a political flame war, but just so you know, liberals do not
see the world in terms of race, but they are prejudiced
against conservatives because they see them as people who are
unaware of their own ignorance of the facts and uncaring of
the consequences of that ignorance. Of course that may not be
the case, but any of the hundreds of millions of liberals who
might read what you have written there will interpret it in
precisely that way.
Personally, my theory is that people generally imitate or
contradict the political orientation of the first strongly
political person they are exposed to in their life. Usually a
parent or older sibling - if they like them, they see the
political world through their eyes, if they dislike them, they
seek to prove themselves unlike them. It's really that simple.
Very few people research politics methodically and impartially
and formulate a set of opinions based on 'facts'.
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