Hi meekerdb Belief in God is a gift from God, you cannot achieve it on your own.
The same is also true of salvation. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/11/2012 Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function." ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-10, 15:49:44 Subject: Re: victims of faith Having obfuscated the meaning of "God" as much as possible, let's see if we can also fuzz-up the meaning of "believe in" - because, above all, we really really want to be able to say "We believe in God." and we want to be able to say "You really believe in God." and if you think you don't it is just because you don't know the real secret meaning of "believe in" and "God". Brent On 9/10/2012 12:17 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: > that is not fair. 99.99 believed in God or in gods They differ in the > details. Atheists are a minority. > > In a deeper sense, atheists do believe in gods. problably modern > atheism is one the most basic, new and thus, primitive religions, as I > will show here: > > Seeing the development of religion where religion is repressed, > unrepressed atheism develops into personality cult, which is probably > the most basic religion. personality cult fanatics typically belive > without any doubt that his leader, for example Stalin or Kim I Sung > can write hundred of books per year about any scientific matter > > In industrialized countries this form of primitive religion appears in > the rock star cult (bands of cult) in the ideologies, the political > leadership cult, the cult to famous atheistic scientists or their > precursors. There are articles about the false mitifications, not by > lay people but by scientist about the life of Darwin for example that > moves to laugh > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2008/feb/09/darwin.myths > > To summarize, religion is part of human nature. it involves the > mitification or idealization of people that act as super-egos (in the > psychoanalitical sense) or as models of behaviour for the believer. > This is part of any healty socialization. The process of sentimental > attachment of a comunity ever involves the asumption of some myths. > For sure a nation is a form of primitive religion where the life of > the founders and their mytical history are part of the beliefs. such > religion is mixed in a "politeistic" way with other attachment to > football teams or rock groups that act as minor divinities, and > usually there is a superior level of civilizational religion, above > the nation, where the person identifies itself with a broader > comunity, such is ecologism, christianism, socialism where Al Gore, > Christ or Marx act as divinities. > > The fact that these myths are based on real, historical people or in > too long dead people with no guaranteed historicity does not matter. > The only difference is that new religions have new myths and due to > the fact that they have no history, they conform to the most pure form > of religion, where the psychological process of mythopoiesis is > observable in action today. > > If the mytification goes from generation to generation (if the faith > is sucessful) then the mytified historical figures become pure myths > so they become gods. > > The most pure form of belief is the one where the believer does not > know that he believe. The knowledge of belief is a sophisticated or > civlized way of belief, that only exist where civilizatons are mixed. > We all believe things that are idealizations, falsifications or > mytifications. But not all myths are equal and not all myths have to > be false. There is a social capital involved in every belief: A myth > explains the reality in some way, but also is inherently good if it > make people act in common for common goals that are good for all. This > is independent from the objective truth. By intuition men can gasp how > good a myth is for him and for his fellows (that may be explained by a > "social capital instinct", from which the mythopoiesis, the production > of myths feed from). > > Good and Truthful become synonyms in the mind of the man that seek a > menaning, a reason to live with others. And the man that don? seek > meaning, either is in crisis or someone else has chosen his myhths to > believe for him time ago. > > 2012/9/10 Stathis Papaioannou<stath...@gmail.com>: >> On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 5:50 AM, Alberto G. Corona<agocor...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> So you have a very strong belief: That almost all but a few >>> enlightened people like you in the History of humanity are a bunch of >>> silly idiots. >> Actually, almost everyone in the history of humanity has thought that >> 99.99% of all religions are silly, and that they were fortuitously >> born into the 0.01% that wasn't. Atheists take it a bit further and >> think that 100% of all religions are silly. Agnostics, if they are >> consistent, say that it is possible that the archangel gabriel >> dictated the Quran to Muhammad just as it is possible that Santa Claus >> and his helpers construct toys for the world's children at the North >> Pole. >> >> >> -- >> Stathis Papaioannou >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. 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