every statement about whatever, included "reality" is made with mental concepts . The definition of truth, reality , factual, religion, depend on axioms or unproved statements. I presented a computational-evolutionary, falsable, exposition of what religion is: a part of a wider class of phenomenons of "reality construction" and I demonstrated IHMO that no man is free from it.
2012/9/11 Stathis Papaioannou <stath...@gmail.com> > On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 5:17 AM, Alberto G. Corona <agocor...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > that is not fair. 99.99 believed in God or in gods They differ in the > > details. Atheists are a minority. > > > > In a deeper sense, atheists do believe in gods. problably modern > > atheism is one the most basic, new and thus, primitive religions, as I > > will show here: > > > > Seeing the development of religion where religion is repressed, > > unrepressed atheism develops into personality cult, which is probably > > the most basic religion. personality cult fanatics typically belive > > without any doubt that his leader, for example Stalin or Kim I Sung > > can write hundred of books per year about any scientific matter > > > > In industrialized countries this form of primitive religion appears in > > the rock star cult (bands of cult) in the ideologies, the political > > leadership cult, the cult to famous atheistic scientists or their > > precursors. There are articles about the false mitifications, not by > > lay people but by scientist about the life of Darwin for example that > > moves to laugh > > > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2008/feb/09/darwin.myths > > > > To summarize, religion is part of human nature. it involves the > > mitification or idealization of people that act as super-egos (in the > > psychoanalitical sense) or as models of behaviour for the believer. > > This is part of any healty socialization. The process of sentimental > > attachment of a comunity ever involves the asumption of some myths. > > For sure a nation is a form of primitive religion where the life of > > the founders and their mytical history are part of the beliefs. such > > religion is mixed in a "politeistic" way with other attachment to > > football teams or rock groups that act as minor divinities, and > > usually there is a superior level of civilizational religion, above > > the nation, where the person identifies itself with a broader > > comunity, such is ecologism, christianism, socialism where Al Gore, > > Christ or Marx act as divinities. > > > > The fact that these myths are based on real, historical people or in > > too long dead people with no guaranteed historicity does not matter. > > The only difference is that new religions have new myths and due to > > the fact that they have no history, they conform to the most pure form > > of religion, where the psychological process of mythopoiesis is > > observable in action today. > > > > If the mytification goes from generation to generation (if the faith > > is sucessful) then the mytified historical figures become pure myths > > so they become gods. > > > > The most pure form of belief is the one where the believer does not > > know that he believe. The knowledge of belief is a sophisticated or > > civlized way of belief, that only exist where civilizatons are mixed. > > We all believe things that are idealizations, falsifications or > > mytifications. But not all myths are equal and not all myths have to > > be false. There is a social capital involved in every belief: A myth > > explains the reality in some way, but also is inherently good if it > > make people act in common for common goals that are good for all. This > > is independent from the objective truth. By intuition men can gasp how > > good a myth is for him and for his fellows (that may be explained by a > > "social capital instinct", from which the mythopoiesis, the production > > of myths feed from). > > > > Good and Truthful become synonyms in the mind of the man that seek a > > menaning, a reason to live with others. And the man that don´t seek > > meaning, either is in crisis or someone else has chosen his myhths to > > believe for him time ago. > > Let me be specific about what I dispute. I dispute the factual claims > made by religions. For example: > > - Athena sprang fully formed from the head of Zeus when Hephaestus > struck it with an ax to relieve a headache; > - Yahweh dictated the ten commandments to Moses; > - Ganesha is an elephant headed god who promotes good luck; > - You go to Heaven when you die if you accept that Jesus is God and > repent your sins. > > If you remove the factual claims then you are left with statements > that may be inspiring, poetic, vacuous or nonsensical, but not true or > false. For example: > > - Athena sprang from Zeus' head because in mythology she represents wisdom; > - The ten commandments are a good basis for morality; > - Worshiping Ganesha gives Hindus comfort and hope; > - Jesus taught the importance of forgiveness. > > > -- > Stathis Papaioannou > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to firstname.lastname@example.org. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to email@example.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.