every statement about  whatever, included "reality" is made with mental
concepts .  The definition of truth, reality , factual, religion, depend on
axioms or unproved statements. I presented a computational-evolutionary,
falsable, exposition of what religion is:  a part of a wider class
of phenomenons of "reality construction" and I demonstrated IHMO that no
man is free from it.

2012/9/11 Stathis Papaioannou <stath...@gmail.com>

> On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 5:17 AM, Alberto G. Corona <agocor...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > that is not fair. 99.99 believed in God or in gods They differ in the
> > details. Atheists are a minority.
> >
> > In a deeper sense, atheists do believe in gods. problably modern
> > atheism is one the most basic, new and thus, primitive religions, as I
> > will show here:
> >
> >   Seeing  the development of religion where religion is repressed,
> > unrepressed atheism develops into personality cult, which is probably
> > the most basic religion. personality cult fanatics typically belive
> > without any doubt that his leader, for example Stalin or Kim I Sung
> > can write hundred of books per year about any scientific matter
> >
> > In industrialized countries this form of primitive religion appears in
> > the rock star cult (bands of cult) in the ideologies, the political
> > leadership cult, the cult to famous atheistic scientists or their
> > precursors.  There are articles about the false mitifications, not by
> > lay people but by scientist about the life of Darwin for example that
> > moves to laugh
> >
> > http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2008/feb/09/darwin.myths
> >
> > To summarize, religion is part of human nature. it involves the
> > mitification or idealization of people that act as super-egos (in the
> > psychoanalitical sense) or as models of behaviour for the believer.
> > This is part of any healty socialization.  The process of sentimental
> > attachment of a comunity ever involves the asumption of some myths.
> > For sure a nation is a form of primitive religion where the life of
> > the founders and their mytical history are part of the beliefs. such
> > religion is mixed in a "politeistic" way with other attachment to
> > football teams or rock groups that act as minor divinities, and
> > usually there is a superior level of civilizational religion, above
> > the nation, where the person identifies itself with a broader
> > comunity, such is ecologism, christianism, socialism where Al Gore,
> > Christ or Marx act as divinities.
> >
> > The fact that these myths are based on real, historical people or in
> > too long dead people with no guaranteed  historicity does not matter.
> > The only difference is that new religions have new myths and due to
> > the fact that they have no history, they conform to the most pure form
> > of religion, where the psychological process of mythopoiesis is
> > observable in action today.
> >
> >  If the mytification goes from generation to generation (if the faith
> > is sucessful) then the mytified historical figures become pure myths
> > so they become gods.
> >
> > The most pure form of belief is the one where the believer does not
> > know that he believe. The knowledge of belief is a sophisticated or
> > civlized way of belief, that only exist where civilizatons are mixed.
> > We all believe things that are idealizations, falsifications or
> > mytifications. But not all myths are equal and not all myths have to
> > be false. There is a social capital involved in every belief: A myth
> > explains the reality in some way, but also is inherently good if it
> > make people act in common for common goals that are good for all. This
> > is independent from the objective truth. By intuition men can gasp how
> > good a myth is for him and for his fellows (that may be explained by a
> > "social capital instinct", from which the mythopoiesis, the production
> > of myths feed from).
> >
> > Good and Truthful become synonyms in the mind of the man that seek a
> > menaning, a reason to live with others. And the man that donĀ“t seek
> > meaning, either is in crisis or someone else has chosen his myhths to
> > believe for him time ago.
>
> Let me be specific about what I dispute. I dispute the factual claims
> made by religions. For example:
>
> - Athena sprang fully formed from the head of Zeus when Hephaestus
> struck it with an ax to relieve a headache;
> - Yahweh dictated the ten commandments to Moses;
> - Ganesha is an elephant headed god who promotes good luck;
> - You go to Heaven when you die if you accept that Jesus is God and
> repent your sins.
>
> If you remove the factual claims then you are left with statements
> that may be inspiring, poetic, vacuous or nonsensical, but not true or
> false. For example:
>
> - Athena sprang from Zeus' head because in mythology she represents wisdom;
> - The ten commandments are a good basis for morality;
> - Worshiping Ganesha gives Hindus comfort and hope;
> - Jesus taught the importance of forgiveness.
>
>
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