Hi Bruno Marchal 

Science can only deal with objective issues or things (facts).
But the world also consists of values-- qualitative or subjective issues. 
Hence science has only "half a brain".  

Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
9/13/2012 
Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him 
so that everything could function."
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On 12 Sep 2012, at 13:24, Roger Clough wrote:


Hi meekerdb 

First, science can only work with quantity, not quality, so
it only works with half a brain. 


Bad decision. You are the one cutting the "corpus callosum" here.





Secondly, meaning is not a scientific category. So science 
can neither make nor understand meaningful statements. 
Logic has the same fatal problem. 


Not at all. Logic handle both syntactical or digital transformations, and its 
"dual" the corresponding semantical adjoint transformation. There is proof 
theory and model theory. Meaning is handle by non syntactical mathematical 
structures. There are many branches in logic, and semantic, alias Model Theory, 
is one of them.


To separate science from religion looks nice, but it consists in encouraging 
nonsense in religion, and in science eventually.


Science cannot answer the religious question, nor even the human question, nor 
even the machine question, but it *can* reduce the nonsense. 


Bruno











Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
9/12/2012 
Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him 
so that everything could function."
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Subject: Re: victims of faith


On 9/11/2012 5:58 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 6:54 AM, Roger Clough<rclo...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> Hi meekerdb
>>
>> Science is science and religion is religion
>> and never the two shall meet.
>
> I'm not sure about this Roger. The goal of a true science and true
> religion, in my opinion, is the search of truth. In the Bah ' Faith,
> it is said that a true science and true religion can never be in
> conflict.

The Pope says the same about Catholicism. But that didn't keep the Church from 
saying 
heliocentrism was false, evolution didn't happen, disease is caused by sin,... 
The 
problem with religion is that it doesn't test it's 'facts'.

Brent
To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous
as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin.
       --- Cardinal Bellarmine, 1615, letter to Paolo Frascioni

"The earth is flat. Whoever claims it is round is an
atheist deserving of punishment.
   ---Sheik Abdel-Aziz ibn Baaz, the supreme religious authority of
      Saudi Arabia, 1993, quoted by Yousef M. Ibrahim,
       The New York Times, 12 February 1993 Yes, that's 1993 CE, not BCE.

> The son of the founder of the Bah ' Faith said, "If
> religion were contrary to logical reason then it would cease to be a
> religion and be merely a tradition. Religion and science are the two
> wings upon which man's intelligence can soar into the heights, with
> which the human soul can progress. ... All religions of the present
> day have fallen into superstitious practices, out of harmony alike
> with the true principles of the teaching they represent and with the
> scientific discoveries of the time. 
>
> We see this same sentiment expressed by Einstein, when he said,
> ?cience without religion is lame, religion without science is blind. 
>
> Jason
>

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