Hi John Clark  

oger Clough, [email protected] 
9/16/2012  
Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him  
so that everything could function." 
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On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 7:22 AM, Roger Clough  wrote: 



>Intelligence ? I don't think the word was available back then (Bible days). 


Well, they certainly behaved as the didn't know what it meant to be 
intelligent, but then why is the bible worth reading today? Why not read 
something with a little more intellectual meat on its bones, like a Donald Duck 
comic book? 


>To understand the Bible you have to read it as a little child, 


And there can be no better place for a child to start reading the Bible than 
"And I will cause them to eat the flesh of their sons and the flesh of their 
daughters, and they shall eat every one the flesh of his friend"; stories about 
how God likes to force people to eat their children and friends makes such 
charming bedtime stories.  


?> God did order a few massacres.  

But only a *few* massacres, and hey God is just like the rest of us, He 
sometimes does things He will regret when He gets into a hissy fit. I mean we 
all have bad days. 



> Those slaughter statements are mostly based on the old jewish laws in 
> leviticus and numbers.  


I will say this, the God of the Old testament may be the most unpleasant 
character in all of fiction and He may have enjoyed forced cannibalism and 
torture but at least once you were dead you were dead and He was finished 
playing with you; but not so in the New Testament of Jesus the Prince of Peace, 
Jesus is going to use all His skill to torture you as horribly as He can for 
all of eternity if you take just one step out of line. 


?> Jesus did away with them. 


So you look at Jesus as a mass murderer who has reformed, or says He has.  



> The forgiveness of Jesus also did away with the need for them. The Old 
> Testament is the problem. The New Testament is the solution. 


Christ was a jerk. I refer to the character portrayed in the bible, whether 
there really was a historic figure who impressed the rubes with card tricks and 
other stunts I don't know. Personally I'd be a lot more impressed if he had 
taught us about the second law of thermodynamics rather than hear a report of 
questionable accuracy about some water into wine trick. It took the human race 
another 1800 years to learn about entropy and although it teaches us nothing 
about morality neither do Christ's stunts, and unlike the fermented grape juice 
bit you can't fake thermodynamics. 

Christ was a nut, nutty as a fruit cake, or to put it in more politically 
correct language, he had a mental illness that produced delusions of grandeur. 
I don't think it was an act, I think he really thought he was God. 

Christ was a martinet. His words "You serpents, you generation of vipers, how 
can you escape the damnation of hell" sounds more like a typical flame you can 
find anywhere on the net then it does the wisdom of a great sage. Buddha, 
Lao-tse, and Socrates all had a much more enlightened attitude toward those who 
disagreed with them, and they had it 500 years before Jesus. 

Christ was a creep. He believed in hell, he talked with glee about "wailing and 
gnashing of teeth" and "these shall go away into everlasting fire". He thought 
that torturing somebody, not for a billion years, not for a trillion years but 
for an INFINITE number of years would be an amusing thing to do to somebody he 
didn't like. I think cruelty on this monstrous scale proves that Jesus Christ 
of the bible is morally indistinguishable from Satan of the bible.  

Christ was a idiot. He believed that God, that is to say himself, was furious 
with the human race (something to do with fruit trees) and even though he could 
do anything the only way for him to forgive the humans would be for the humans 
to torture him to death, even though being a god he can not die. Does any of 
this seem very smart to you??  

?ohn K ClarK 
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