Roger, So you must think that the jewish law condemning homosexual behavior was eliminated by Jesus. It's not in the 10 and certainly Christians are making a big fuss over it. Richard
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 8:21 AM, Roger Clough <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Richard Ruquist > > I was irritated because I have already answered this question. > Jesus did away with the laws of the jews, which to my mind were > the laws of man, not God. The Laws of God are the 10 commandments. > They held and still do, just as God declared them. > > To give you a for instgance, jesus said that > it is not what goes into a man's mouth that > makes him unclean, it is whjat comes out of it. > > What does fulfillment of the law mean ? > It means that Jesus died for breakers of those laws > including you and me. So in that sense if you > break the laws, his Gospel will save you. > The Gospel is the fulfillment of the laws. > > You only need to accept that fact for it to be > saved. > > > > o invent him > so that everything could function." > ----- Receiving the following content ----- > From: Richard Ruquist > Receiver: everything-list > Time: 2012-09-17, 07:01:49 > Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: the "nothing but" fallacy. > > > I was waiting for your reply. > Alas, Jesus was a Jew > and Jews have 613 commandments, > not just 10. > Insults do not help your argument. > > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 6:56 AM, Roger Clough wrote: >> Hi Richard Ruquist >> >> Another drive-by shooting. Just an unsupported denial >> and you speed off. How can you be taken seriously ? >> >> >> Roger Clough, [email protected] >> 9/17/2012 >> Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him >> so that everything could function." >> >> ----- Receiving the following content ----- >> From: Richard Ruquist >> Receiver: everything-list >> Time: 2012-09-15, 12:03:08 >> Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: the "nothing but" fallacy. >> >> Nonesense >> >> On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Roger Clough wrote: >>> Hi Richard Ruquist >>> >>> He was talking about the 10 commandments. >>> He fulfilled them with his death and res. >>> >>> >>> Jesus did away for example with the dietary laws when >>> he said that it is not what a man puts into his mouth >>> that can make him unclean, it is what comes out of it. >>> >>> >>> Roger Clough, [email protected] >>> 9/15/2012 >>> Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him >>> so that everything could function." >>> >>> ----- Receiving the following content ----- >>> From: Richard Ruquist >>> Receiver: everything-list >>> Time: 2012-09-15, 08:08:22 >>> Subject: Re: Re: Re: the "nothing but" fallacy. >>> >>> Jesus did not do away with any OT laws. >>> He said so explicitly in the Sermon on the Mount. >>> >>> Matthew 5: >>> [17] "Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; >>> I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them. >>> [18] For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an >>> iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished. >>> [19] Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and >>> teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he >>> who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of >>> heaven." >>> >>> Roger, are you one of the least? >>> Richard >>> >>> On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 7:22 AM, Roger Clough wrote: >>>> Hi John Clark >>>> >>>> 1)Intelligence ? I don't think the word was available back then (Bible >>>> days). >>>> Russell also hadn't a clue (he admitted) as to the meaning of pragmatism. >>>> On the other hand, Proverbs says, "Fear of God is beginning of >>>> wisdom (or knowledge)." >>>> >>>> 2) To understand the Bible you have to read it as a little child, >>>> not a shark. >>>> >>>> 3) Those slaughter statements are mostly based on the old jewish >>>> laws in leviticus and numbers. Jesus did away with them. >>>> But God did order a few massacres. The forgiveness of Jesus >>>> also did away with the need for them. >>>> >>>> The Old Testament is the problem. >>>> The New Testament is the solution. >>>> >>>> Roger Clough, [email protected] >>>> 9/15/2012 >>>> Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him >>>> so that everything could function." >>>> ----- Receiving the following content ----- >>>> From: John Clark >>>> Receiver: everything-list >>>> Time: 2012-09-14, 15:32:46 >>>> Subject: Re: Re: the "nothing but" fallacy. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 6:55 AM, Roger Clough wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> You're a slow learner. >>>> >>>> Maybe, but I'm smarter than the people in the Bible. As Bertrand Russell >>>> said "So far as I can remember, there is not one word in the Gospels in >>>> praise of intelligence." >>>> >>>> >>>>> Bible stories are generally based on true happenings. >>>> >>>> >>>> Do you believe that the stories in Mother Goose are generally based on >>>> true happenings too? I know there are no reasons to believe either one >>>> but >>>> faith don't need no education, or reasons. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Science deals with facts, religion deals with values. >>>> >>>> >>>> Values? One of the best ways to become a atheist is to actually read the >>>> Bible, so let's go directly to the source and read some quotations from >>>> the >>>> Bible and see some of those wonderful values that it teaches: >>>> >>>> Take all the heads of the people and hang them up before the Lord against >>>> the sun. >>>> Numbers 25:4 >>>> >>>> The LORD slew all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both the firstborn >>>> of man, and the firstborn of beast. >>>> Exodus 13:15 >>>> >>>> Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers. >>>> Isaiah 14:21 >>>> >>>> And the priest shall dip his finger in some of the blood, and sprinkle it >>>> seven times before the LORD. >>>> Leviticus 4:17 >>>> >>>> And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters >>>> shall ye eat. >>>> Leviticus 26:29 >>>> >>>> Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the >>>> sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle >>>> thereof, with the edge of the sword. >>>> Deuteronomy 13:15 >>>> >>>> Thus saith the LORD of hosts ... go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy >>>> all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, >>>> infant >>>> and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.? >>>> 1 Samuel 15:2-3 >>>> >>>> Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray >>>> you, bring them out unto you, an do ye to them as is good in your eyes. >>>> Genesis 19:8 >>>> >>>> And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto >>>> her >>>> .... Thou shalt go in unto her. Deuteronomy 21:11-13 >>>> >>>> The LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, >>>> above all people that are upon the face of the earth. >>>> Deuteronomy 7:6 >>>> >>>> I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your >>>> children. >>>> Leviticus 26:22 >>>> >>>> And I will cause them to eat the flesh of their sons and the flesh of >>>> their daughters, and they shall eat every one the flesh of his friend. >>>> Jeremiah 19:9 >>>> >>>> For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put >>>> to >>>> death. >>>> Leviticus 20:9 >>>> >>>> The Lord is a man of War. >>>> Exodus 15:3 >>>> >>>> Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the >>>> stones.? >>>> Psalms 137:9 >>>> >>>> People lamented because the Lord had smitten many people in a great >>>> slaughter. >>>> 1Samuel 6:19 >>>> >>>> Smite through the loins of them that rise against him...that they rise >>>> not >>>> again. >>>> Deuteronomy 33:11 >>>> >>>> And thou shalt eat the fruit of? thine own body, the flesh of thy sons >>>> and >>>> of thy daughters, which the Lord thy God hath given thee. >>>> Deuteronomy 28:53 >>>> >>>> ? 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