On 9/16/2012 12:35 PM, Richard Ruquist wrote:

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I would like to quibble about your statement: "For God, all things are given but once and there is no need to "compute the relations" . in terms of the OMEGA Point (OP).

Hi Richard,

`A good friend of mine (who I was just talking to a moment ago) and`

`I once gave a talk on Tipler's OP theory. I am quite familiar with it.`

Both in MWI and SWI, God (or whatever mechanism) is able to compute the OP.

`Yes, the computation occurs in the Unitary evolution of total`

`quantum wave function of the Universe - All that exists. This leads to a`

`nice equation H=0. This is the "Wheeler-Dewitt Equation. We see`

`something very interesting in this equation. The time variable t`

`vanished (becomes zero). This has the effect of making the unitary`

`evolution equivalent to a "automorphism`

`<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automorphism>".`

`"Inmathematics <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematics>,`

`an*automorphism*is anisomorphism`

`<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isomorphism>from amathematical object`

`<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_object>to itself. It is, in`

`some sense, asymmetry <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symmetry>of the`

`object, and a way ofmapping`

`<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Map_%28mathematics%29>the object to itself`

`while preserving all of its structure. The set of all automorphisms of`

`an object forms a group`

`<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_%28mathematics%29>, called`

`the*automorphism group*. It is, loosely speaking, thesymmetry group`

`<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symmetry_group>of the object."`

But I suspect that the computation is not once and for all due to human and other (even spiritual) consciousness exercising free choice.

`And I agree with this suspicion! We have free will exactly because`

`our "existence" as finite creatures that find ourselves in physical`

`shells and so all kinds of things is exactly described "somewhere" in`

`that set of automorphism. The question that we need to ask is: What is`

`it that break the total global symmetry of the Universe such that I have`

`this notion of freedom to chose from a set of alternatives that seems`

`equivalent in value to me -all other things being equal?`

What is is that breaks that symmetry?

As a result God must have to continually compute OP, especially if SWI is the physical reality.

`No, I am claiming *we are pieces of the computation* and to us it`

`looks like it is many computations that seem to have nothing at all to`

`do with each other and these computations can be arbitrarily extended if`

`certain conditions are met.`

It may be that the MWI computation is 'once and for all', if MWI are the multiple physical realities. But then there will be multiple OPs as well.

`There are many and there is only one. The Many is the collection of`

`fractured and broken collection of Images of the One.`

Richard

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