Hi Stephen P. King The two words are commonly confused.
Faith is wordless trust, personal and interior. It is in the heart. Beliefs are public expressions of that faith and its object, and a whole lot more, and are thus in words. So it is in the head. For more, see http://lightomega.org/Ind/Pure/Belief_Faith_and_Knowing.html Roger Clough, [email protected] 9/17/2012 Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function." ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-16, 12:15:31 Subject: Re: The poverty of computers On 9/16/2012 8:45 AM, Roger Clough wrote: > Hi Stephen P. King > > My take on the meaning of "knowledge of things unseen" > is knowledge of what is invisible at the moment. Hi Roger, I agree with this definition. It is equivalent to mine. What we must understand is that "at the moment" is something that can be and is different for each and every one of us. > > > Roger Clough, [email protected] > 9/16/2012 > Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him > so that everything could function." > ----- Receiving the following content ----- > From: Stephen P. King > Receiver: everything-list > Time: 2012-09-15, 13:15:26 > Subject: Re: The poverty of computers > > > On 9/15/2012 8:57 AM, Roger Clough wrote: > > Hi Stephen P. King > > Faith is merely trust. I could have faith in a doorknob. > But I wouldn't try faith in Satan. > > > Even the doorknob would work to some extent, for trust opens you > up to authority, to submission, and submission > is the meat and potatoes of salvation. It's the > bending over that does the work. In the case of salvation, > bending over to Jesus. > > > Hi Roger, > > I do not wish to sink into Scholastic style arguments, but I am trying to > make a point here. Faith must be anticipatory or it is not capable of being > "knowledge of things unseen". If I where the one entity in the universe then > it would not make any sense to confine "knowledge of things not seem" to a > future tensed domain as anything that is beyond my direct reach would be in > the domain defined by the "not seen", but we appear to live in a universe > where I can communicate with the fellow around the corner with a radio and he > can tell me all about that is happening beyond my local reach. > Thus if we are trying to be logically consistent in our definitions, we have > to restrict the domain of Faith to the common future of any that I might be > able to communicate with; "not seen" means not seen to anyone that I can > communicate with, no? =-O > > > > > > Roger Clough, [email protected] > 9/15/2012 > Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him > so that everything could function." > ----- Receiving the following content ----- > From: Stephen P. King > Receiver: everything-list > Time: 2012-09-14, 12:11:35 > Subject: Re: The poverty of computers > > > On 9/14/2012 7:09 AM, Roger Clough wrote: > > Hi Craig Weinberg > > Faith can be expressed as a belief, but faith itself is inner trust, > confidence, etc. > > Faith > > Noun:Complete trust or confidence in someone or something. > Strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual > apprehension rather than proof. > > > > > > Dear Roger, > > But not just "anything" it is contained to cover only that which is possible > in the future. Faith is forward projected belief. I have faith that the > bridge can support my weight because it is possible to falsify that belief > when I am actually crossing it.. > > > > Roger Clough, [email protected] > 9/14/2012 > Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him > so that everything could function." > ----- Receiving the following content ----- > From: Craig Weinberg > Receiver: everything-list > Time: 2012-09-13, 13:21:50 > Subject: Re: Re: The poverty of computers > > > > > On Thursday, September 13, 2012 8:43:39 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: > Hi Bruno Marchal > > The shared part of religion (or science) is called belief(s). > They are exclusively in the fom of words. > For example words from the Bible, and the Creeds. > > The personal or private part of religion is called faith. > It is not belief, for it is wordless, is more like trust or motivation. > Religion trusts its creeds, science trust the laws of physics etc. > > > > It sounds like you are talking about the particular forms of religion though. > In some other traditions, faith can be the public proclamation in words and > belief is the privately expressed as wordless. > > Craig > -- Onward! 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