On Monday, September 17, 2012 1:20:10 PM UTC-4, Terren Suydam wrote: > > Stephen - the Matrix video is a faithful interpretation of comp, but > Craig's story is not, unless he includes the crucial narrative - that > of the simulated Craig eating the simulated meal. I expect Craig to > say that the simulated Craig, the one making the yummy noises, is a > zombie,
There is no simulated Craig. There is only an animated menu being interpreted by Craig as a simulation of himself. I'm demonstrating that the idea of there even being a zombie is superfluous. The map is not the territory. There is no such thing in a concrete and absolute sense as a map. The map is a subjective interpretation of interacting territories. A map is only a piece of paper with ink unless you assume a map reader. (It's not even that of course, since paper and ink are only concretely real to other large assemblies of molecules). > and has no actual experience or inner narrative. He is > entitled of course to that position. He is just saying no to the > doctor. > These words have no actual experience or inner narrative. If a doctor wanted me to replace my brain with these words, yes I would say no. Craig > > Terren > > On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 12:32 PM, Stephen P. King > <step...@charter.net<javascript:>> > wrote: > > On 9/16/2012 9:29 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > >> > >> Background: After refusing to serve Bruno's brother in law with the > >> simulated brain at my restaurant, I decide to make peace by inviting > myself > >> to go along with Brother in law B1ll to his favorite restaurant. > >> > >> "It's the best in the city!", says B1ll. > >> > >> "That sounds great, because I am really hungry.", I reply anxiously. > >> > >> When we arrive we find a dark, silent building, full of empty seats. > B1ll > >> gestures for me to sit which I do and, it suddenly sounds like a > restaurant. > >> I hear sizzling and clanking for the kitchen and suddenly a waiter > appears, > >> offering me a menu. Just as I notice that the waiter bears a curious > >> resemblance to Bruno, I wonder why he has not given B1ll a menu too. > >> > >> "I've already ordered", says B1ll. > >> > >> I look down at the menu, but I see only one item on it. It is called > "The > >> thing that you want to order". Wow. This is impressive. I look up and > notice > >> that what the waiter's nametag says. > >> > >> "Ok, Brun-0, you win. I'll have a number not-not-one, with everything > on > >> it." > >> > >> "Coming right up, monsieur. Would you like Löbian salad or Gödelian > soup > >> with that? The umlauts are excellent this time of year" > >> > >> "Sure" > >> > >> "Voila", Brun-0 exclaims. > >> > >> Seeing the confusion on my face, he gestures at the menu in my hand > with a > >> gracefully circular extension of his fingers, over and over, rotating > in > >> space hypnotically, until I realize that he wants me to turn the menu > over. > >> > >> On the back of the menu is a beautiful HD video screen, which pops into > >> life with a movie of someone sitting at...Hey!! It's Me! > >> > >> It's a movie of me, rendered so perfectly it looks absolutely real. I > am > >> being served a giant silver domed platter, which is removed to unveil a > >> beautiful...menu. The camera pans down the gorgeous menu of sumptuous > >> sounding descriptions of food. As the camera zooms into a closeup on > the > >> calligraphy, it can be seen that each culinary turn of phrase is > constructed > >> of beautifully written formulas and equations like G and Gp where p is > >> delicious and G = emulated gustatory resource and p = Non-regurgitation > >> parameters'. > >> > >> To my surprise, I now witness myself in the movie pick a fork and knife > >> and begin eating the menu and thoroughly enjoying every bite. I seem to > be > >> making the exact yummy sounds and faces that I would expect. > >> > >> Turning to B1ll, I ask, > >> > >> "What did you order?" > >> > >> "I already ate.", he replies. > >> > >> As I look down at my clean plate and remember the great meal that I > just > >> had, I feel unusually satisfied. Curiously I can't remember exactly > what it > >> was that I ate, but I no reason to care. I can't care. I believe that I > must > >> have eaten exactly what I wanted. > >> > >> Craig > > > > Check out the Matrix version of this story: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7BuQFUhsRM > > > > -- > > Onward! > > > > Stephen > > > > http://webpages.charter.net/stephenk1/Outlaw/Outlaw.html > > > > > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > "Everything List" group. > > To post to this group, send email to > > everyth...@googlegroups.com<javascript:>. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > everything-li...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/9h2yCipK1VkJ. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
