I think that comp is almost true, except for when applied to consciousness
itself, in which case it is exactly false. I wasn't asserting it so much as
I was illustrating exactly why that is the case. Does anyone have any
common sense analogy or story which makes sense of comp as a generator of
On Monday, September 17, 2012 6:37:39 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote:
> On 9/17/2012 5:41 PM, Terren Suydam wrote:
> > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Stephen P. King
> >> On 9/17/2012 1:20 PM, Terren Suydam wrote:
> >>> Stephen - the Matrix video is a faithful interpretation of comp, but
> >>> Craig's story is not, unless he includes the crucial narrative - that
> >>> of the simulated Craig eating the simulated meal. I expect Craig to
> >>> say that the simulated Craig, the one making the yummy noises, is a
> >>> zombie, and has no actual experience or inner narrative. He is
> >>> entitled of course to that position. He is just saying no to the
> >>> doctor.
> >>> Terren
> >> Dear Terren,
> >> You are completely missing his point. He is highlighting the fact
> >> there is a difference that makes a difference between the case of "of
> >> simulated Craig eating the simulated meal" and "of the "real" Craig
> >> the "real" meal". There has to be a "grundlagen" level at which there
> is not
> >> a "simulation", there has to be a "real thing" that the simulations are
> >> deformed copy of. I have postulated, following an idea from Stephen
> >> Woolfram, that a physical system (in its evolution) in the "real word"
> >> the best possible "simulation" and thus it is literally the "real
> >> that all images that we might have of it in our minds are mere
> >> Craig is diving deep into this idea and looking at it "from the
> >> and reporting to us his observations.
> > Craig is just asserting that comp is false. The Matrix video only
> > makes sense if you assume comp. The fact that you called that video
> > the "matrix version of Craig's story" was confusing to me because the
> > two rest on different assumptions. The movie shows us the character
> > eating and enjoying the simulated steak. In Craig's story he has no
> > experience of it.
> > If you assume comp then there is no "primary real" version of anything
> > (by the movie graph argument). Real is only phenomenological, like a
> > dream. You can never know, not even in principle, whether you are the
> > "real" version, it doesn't even make sense to ask the question. Below
> > the substitution level, there are an infinite ocean of universal
> > machines that instantiate your current state.
> > Terren
> Hi Terren,
> "Comp is false" is too strong. He is explaining how comp is
> "incomplete". The movie graph argument is flawed.
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