Hi meekerdb  

We don't know, nor can we ever know for certain, that
man has created an AGI, because actual intelligence is 
subjective, so only the AGI itself can know if it is truly
intelligent. The best we can do is test it to see
if it acts "as if" it has intelligence.

Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 
"Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen 

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From: meekerdb  
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Time: 2012-10-08, 17:18:59 
Subject: Re: Zombieopolis Thought Experiment 

On 10/8/2012 2:10 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:  

On Monday, October 8, 2012 4:57:08 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote:  
On 10/8/2012 1:25 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:  

On Monday, October 8, 2012 3:38:42 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote:  
On 10/8/2012 11:25 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:  

On Monday, October 8, 2012 2:19:56 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote:  
On 10/8/2012 10:24 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:  
So the more stimulation you get through your senses of the outside environment 
the less conscious you become. Huh? 

Stimulation that you get thorough your senses of the outside environment does 
not control you. 

How could you possibly know that, considering that John has accumulated many 
years of stimulation? 

Just look at the Conjoined Twins video I posted. Those two people are 
genetically identical, occupy the same body, experience stimulation that is 
very similar, yet they *routinely* disagree. 

Similar isn't the same. 

But the behavior varies in similarity while their stimulation does not.  

Sure it does.  They are not in exactly the same place.  

That's true but irrelevant. If they move to the left two feet so that Brittany 
is in Abby's position, Brittany doesn't become Abby.  

Because they're not in the same place in SPACETIME. 

We are talking about two people in the same body who act the same sometimes and 
completely different other times. This is not the result in air pressure 
differences in the room or the angle of incidence on their retina.  

How do you know that?  There are differences and differences can be amplified.  
Even K_40 decays in their brain could trigger different thoughts. 

Haven't you heard of chaotic dynamics.  Even perfectly identical systems can 
diverge in behavior due to infinitesimal differences in stimulation. 

Sure, but do they then converge again and again? 

Clearly they are each controlling their own behavior separately, even though 
the degree to which their stimulation from the outside world does not vary 

But you don't know that.  You are just looking at the current stimulation.  Yet 
their behavior, even their internal structure, has been molded by different 
stimulations since they were embryos. 

I agree, they are different. How do they know how to speak in unison sometimes 
and they argue with each other at other times? 

The brain is modular. 


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