Hi meekerdb The empiricists such as Hume and Locke maintained that all that we know has first arrived through our senses. I agree. The stuff of knowledge comes from "below".
But Kant showed that this is not enough, for our minds have to make "mental sense" of this data. Consciousness or intelligence is thus structured for this purpose. Our minds tell us what in particular we do know. Such logical structures intelligence uses cannot arrive through our senses, but must come platonically from "above", so that the "mental sense" is finally arrived at using the platonic forms and structures from above. In the meeting place of the "above" and the "below" there exists, analogous to Maxwell's Demon, the active agent called the self. The self makes sense of sensual data and stores that in memory. We have learned something. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 10/9/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-10-08, 14:19:52 Subject: Re: Zombieopolis Thought Experiment On 10/8/2012 10:24 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: So the more stimulation you get through your senses of the outside environment the less conscious you become. Huh? Stimulation that you get thorough your senses of the outside environment does not control you. How could you possibly know that, considering that John has accumulated many years of stimulation? Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to firstname.lastname@example.org. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.