On 09 Oct 2012, at 13:49, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi meekerdb
The empiricists such as Hume and Locke maintained that
all that we know has first arrived through our senses.
I agree. The stuff of knowledge comes from "below".
Perhaps, but we don't know that.
Cf: the dream argument.
This is already a theory, presuming things like senses, and things
perturbing the senses.
But Kant showed that this is not enough,
for our minds have to make "mental sense" of this data.
Good point.
Consciousness or intelligence is thus structured for this purpose.
OK.
Our minds tell us what in particular we do know.
Such logical structures intelligence uses cannot arrive through our
senses,
but must come platonically from "above", so that the "mental sense"
is finally arrived at using the platonic forms and
structures from above.
OK.
In the meeting place of the "above" and the "below"
there exists, analogous to Maxwell's Demon, the active agent
called the self. The self makes sense of sensual data and
stores that in memory. We have learned something.
OK.
Bruno
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
10/9/2012
"Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen
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Subject: Re: Zombieopolis Thought Experiment
On 10/8/2012 10:24 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
So the more stimulation you get through your senses of the outside
environment the less conscious you become. Huh?
Stimulation that you get thorough your senses of the outside
environment does not control you.
How could you possibly know that, considering that John has
accumulated many years of stimulation?
Brent
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