Hi Bruno Marchal
<SNIP> > > ROGER: OK, but computers can't experience anything, > it would be simulated experience. Not arbitrarily available. But that's what the brain does, simulate experience from the point of view of the owner or liver of the experience. According to some theory. You can't talk like if you knew that this is false. ROGER: Simulated experience would be objective, such as is given by the text of a novel (knowledge by description). True experience is the subjective experience of the mind --knowledge by aquaintance. These are obviously substantially different. BRUNO: You are right, it is not the material computer who thinks, nor the physical brains who thinks, it is the owner (temporarily) of the brain, or of the computers which does the thinking (and that can include a computer itself, if you let it develop beliefs). ROGER: I don't think so. The owner of the brain is the self. But although the owner of a computer will have a self, so would anybody else involved in creating the computer or software also have one. Are trying to say that I or anybody else can cause the computer to be conscious ? If wave collapse causes consciousness, there are objective theories of wave collapse called decoherence theories which seem more realistic to me. But I can't seem to see how these could work on a computer. Roger -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
