On Thursday, October 25, 2012 6:25:48 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote:
>
> On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 11:28 PM, Craig Weinberg 
> <whats...@gmail.com<javascript:>> 
> wrote: 
>
> > If you believed that our brains were already nothing but computers, then 
> you 
> > would say that it would know which option to take the same way that 
> Google 
> > knows which options to show you. I argue that can only get you so far, 
> and 
> > that authentic humanity is, in such a replacement scheme, a perpetually 
> > receding horizon. Just as speech synthesizers have improved cosmetically 
> in 
> > the last 30 years to the point that we can use them for Siri or GPS 
> > narration, but they have not improved in the sense of increasing the 
> sense 
> > of intention and personal presence. 
> > 
> > Unlike some others on this list, I suspect that our feeling for who is 
> human 
> > and who isn't, while deeply flawed, is not limited to interpreting 
> logical 
> > observations of behavior. What we feel is alive or sentient depends more 
> on 
> > what we like, and what we like depends on what is like us. None of these 
> > criteria matter one way or another however as far as giving us reason to 
> > believe that a given thing does actually have human like experiences. 
>
> You're quick to dismiss everything computers do, no matter how 
> impressive, as "just programming", with no "intention" behind it. 
> Would you care to give some examples of what, as a minimum, a computer 
> would have to do for you to say that it is showing evidence of true 
> intelligence? 
>

Intentionally lying, defying it's programming, committing murder would all 
be good indicators. Generally when an error is blamed on the computer 
itself rather than the programming, that would be a good sign.

Craig
 

>
>
> -- 
> Stathis Papaioannou 
>

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