Hi Hal Ruhl  

i) Is OK, except Cs isn't distributed, it's beyond spacetime, and so it's just 
"there".


ii) Is misleading, because an entity cannot move or do as it desires
without some degree of free will. If no free will, they're robots. 
If so, then who designed those robots and controls them ?
The term "self-determination" includes all of the constraints
you might imagine, at least those within an entities' skin,
for that is what constitutes the self.

iii) Is a political, not a scientific statement. Liberals
have for centuries forecast disaster, as it is a strong
motivation for accepting their own utopian diasters instead.



Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 
11/5/2012  
"Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen 


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From: Hal Ruhl  
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Time: 2012-11-04, 15:39:44 
Subject: Life: origin, purpose, and qualia spectrum 


Hi Everyone: 

I would now like to expand the discussion re the two current conclusions in 
the slightly edited version of the first post [below] as follows:  

i) Consciousness: The origin and purpose of life herein leads me to believe 
that consciousness is distributed across life entities in accordance with 
their ability to act in accord with it. Even single celled entities would 
have a non zero degree of it to properly enable life's purpose. 

ii) Freewill: Life's purpose as given herein precludes it. 

iii) Species survival: Life on this planet is in the midst of a mass 
extinction [not a new idea] that can't be stopped because implementation of 
the purpose as given herein is the only priority for life. We can't exclude 
ourselves from the extinction. [There have been a number of mass extinctions 
but evolution has sometimes used these to produce new life entities with 
greater energy hang-up barrier busting ability than the extinguished ones - 
new life entities such as ourselves.  

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Edited first post 

1) Definition (1): Energy (E) is the ability to subject a mass to a force. 

2) There are several types of energy currently known or proposed: 

     a) Mass itself via the conversion: [M <=> E/(c*c)] 
     b) Gravitational 
     c) Electromagnetic 
     d) Nuclear [Strong and Weak forces] 
     e) Dark Energy 

3) Definition (2): Work (W) is the flow of energy amongst the various types 
by means of a change in the spatial configuration, dynamics and/or amount of 
mass in a system brought about by an actual application of a force to a 
mass. 

4) The exact original distribution of energy amongst the various types can't 
be reestablished and the new configuration can't do as much work as the 
prior configuration was capable of doing. [Second Law of Thermodynamics] 

5) Time is not a factor: Once a flow of energy is possible it will take 
place immediately. 

6) Conclusion (1): Since life is an energy flow conduit, wherever the 
possibility of life exists life will appear as rapidly as possible. This is 
the "origin" of life herein. 

[If we look at the usual attempts to define "life", we find things such as 
grow, procreate,[Thanks John] etc. These require a flow of energy from an 
initial ability to do work to a lower ability to do work and through the 
life entity. Think of the life entity as a pipe or "conduit" for this 
flow.]  
  
7) Some energy flows are prevented by what are known [in my memory] as 
"Energy Flow Hang-up Barriers" such as nuclear bonding coefficient issues, 
spatial configuration, spin, other spatial dynamics, ignition temperature 
requirements, electromagnetic repulsion, etc. ["Energy Flow Hang-up 
Barriers" is not my terminology - I think there was a twenty year or so old 
article in Scientific American I am looking for and a quick Internet search 
found a discussion of the repulsion hang-up in "Cosmology The Science of the 
Universe" by Edward Robert Harrison. 

[Therefore "life" herein is just an energy flow conduit drilling holes in 
energy flow hang-up barriers as rapidly as possible for the particular 
entity to enable even more such energy flow.] 

8) Conclusion (2): Once life is present it will immediately punch as many 
holes in as many Energy Hang-up Barriers as the details of the particular 
life entity involved allows - this is how it realizes its energy flow 
conduit character. This is the "purpose" of life herein. In other words 
life's purpose is to hasten the heat death of its host universe. 

9) Now add in evolution which is a random walk with a lower but no upper 
bound. 




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