Hi Stephen P. King  

You could see it that way, but I only meant that 1p is subjective 
(as I see or know it (here,now)) while 3p is objective (as they 
see or know whatever, whenever).

Which raises Wittgenstein's question, "Can there be a
private language ?"

Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 
"Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen 

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Time: 2012-11-05, 10:25:27 
Subject: Re: On objective and subjective forms of perceptions 

On 11/5/2012 9:22 AM, Roger Clough wrote: 

Hi Stephen P. King   

No, the 3p view is what is there then, or there-then. 
Anything objective, such as some algorithm, 
could be spoke of as within the 3p.  

Dear ROger, 

    'Where' and 'when' are meaningless unless specified. This renders 3p empty 
unless it can be a 1p of some entity. 

The 1p view is subjective (here, now or here-now). 
Thus the buddhists, yogis and mystics advise 
us to be "here now". Buddhists I think call that 

    Yes, by definition. 

Leibniz treats 1p in a somewhat more complicated 
way as actually being objective, not only in 
the form of snapshots, but as snapshots taken  
from all the other monads in the universe, ie 

    Yes, monads = percepts for Leibniz 

Leibniz also speaks of perceptions of the perceptions 
as "apperceptions", but I have not completely figured these out. 
The bottom line is that the apperceptions are what we  
"normally" see and identify of as actual in the usual sense. 

    I think that L's apperceptions are "the process by which new experience is 
assimilated to and transformed by the residuum of past experience of an 
individual to form a new whole." and "the introspective or reflective 
apprehension by the mind of its own inner states." 
These are the internal dynamics of Monads. 

Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net  
"Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen  



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