On 08 Nov 2012, at 14:42, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 11/8/2012 6:38 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Stephen P. King
There are no accidents in Platonia.
There are also perfect parabolas, because
Platonia is the realm of necessary logic,
of pure reason and math, which are inextended.
Hi Roger,
There are no accidents in and all is perfect and there is no
extension or time Platonia because we define Platonia that way. But
if we are to take Platonia as our basic ontological theory we have a
problem, we are unable to explain the necessity of the imperfect
world of matter that has time and is imperfect.
Not at all. After Gödel and Co. we know that "Platonia", or simply
Arithmetic is full of relative imperfections. The machines which lives
in Platonia suffer all from intrinsic limitations. Now, we know that
Platonia contains typhoon, black hole, big bangs, taxes and death.
Platonism is not the same before and after Gödel-Turing.
We can perhaps say that comp admits a more nietzchean reading of
Plato. This could be called neo-neo-platonism, which is neoplatonism +
Church thesis. It is also very pythagorean, as the numbers can, and
have to, be seen in a new perspective.
It is a utopia that, like all utopias, is put up as a means to avoid
the facts of our mortal coil. I am interested in ontologies that
imply the necessity of the imperfect and not a retreat to some
unaccessible perfection.
The real shock with "modern" comp is that now we know that even heaven
is not perfect. It contains many doors to hell. And vice versa: Hell
contains doors to heaven. The main difference is that it is easy to
find a door to hell in paradise, and it is hard to find a door to
paradise in hell. And there is a large fuzzy frontier between both.
The idea that arithmetical platonia is perfect is a rest of Hilbert's
dream (or nightmare as some call it). With comp even God is not
perfect. "He" is overwhelmed by the Noùs, and then the "universal
soul" put a lot of mess in the whole.
At least we can understand the fall of the soul, and the origin of
matter. Matter is where God lost completely control, and that's why
the Greek Platonists can easily identify matter with evil.
It is the price of Turing universality. The existence of *partial*
computable function, and, with comp, of processes which escapes all
theories. The happy consequences is that, by such phenomena, life and
consciousness resist to normative and reductionist thinking. The
universal machine is born universal dissident.
Bruno
Thrown earthly objects are extended and
thus fly contingently, since spin, humidity and
dust particles can create flight imperfections
and no measurements of their flights can be perfect.
I am also told that Heisenberg's uncertainty principle
does not depend on scale.
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
11/8/2012
"Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen
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On 11/7/2012 1:19 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 11/7/2012 5:52 AM, Stephen P. King wrote:
Again: we are still left without an explanation as to how the
accidental coincidence of a Platonic Truth and an actual fact of
the world occurs.
Why do you write 'accidental'? Platonia is our invention to
describe classes of facts by abstracting away particulars.
Brent
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Hi Brent,
It seems to be that when we abstract away the particulars we
lose the ability to talk about particulars.
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Onward!
Stephen
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Stephen
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