On 11/8/2012 10:15 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 08 Nov 2012, at 14:42, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 11/8/2012 6:38 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Stephen P. King
There are no accidents in Platonia.
There are also perfect parabolas, because
Platonia is the realm of necessary logic,
of pure reason and math, which are inextended.
Hi Roger,
There are no accidents in and all is perfect and there is no
extension or time Platonia because we define Platonia that way. But
if we are to take Platonia as our basic ontological theory we have a
problem, we are unable to explain the necessity of the imperfect
world of matter that has time and is imperfect.
Not at all. After Gödel and Co. we know that "Platonia", or simply
Arithmetic is full of relative imperfections. The machines which lives
in Platonia suffer all from intrinsic limitations. Now, we know that
Platonia contains typhoon, black hole, big bangs, taxes and death.
Platonism is not the same before and after Gödel-Turing.
We can perhaps say that comp admits a more nietzchean reading of
Plato. This could be called neo-neo-platonism, which is neoplatonism +
Church thesis. It is also very pythagorean, as the numbers can, and
have to, be seen in a new perspective.
Hi Bruno,
So why bother with the illusion of a physical world? If everything
"just exists" in Platonia, why does it need to exist elsewhere? Why have
an "elsewhere"?
What is it in comp that necessitates the appearance of substances?
How do the relative values of numbers, which are fixed and eternal in
your thinking, acts as something like a prime mover that projects or
whatever is the proper word you wish to uses to explain the emanations
from Platonia to this realm?
How do you explain the appearance of change from that which is
changeless? You never seem to wish to go over the debate between
Heraclitus and Parmenides and explain why you side with Parmenides.
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Onward!
Stephen
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