On Wednesday, December 5, 2012 12:41:22 PM UTC-5, rclough wrote:
>
>  Hi Richard Ruquist 
>  
> You still don't understand. You're confusing the map 
> (the monads, which you can think of as ideas or information) 
> with the territory (physical space).
>  
> It is the corporeal bodies of substances that the monads refer to, 
> not the monads themselves, are distributed in space, but the monads are 
> not. They are just ideas, which as always are outside of spacetime.
>

I would say that monads are more like persons than ideas. They don't refer 
to substance, substance is how monads represent each other, and they do 
that through the invention of sensory-motor interruption: spacetime.

Craig

 
>  
> [Roger Clough], [rcl...@verizon.net] <javascript:>
> 12/5/2012 
> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen
>  
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> *From:* Richard Ruquist <javascript:> 
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> *Time:* 2012-12-05, 09:34:15
> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: One cannot have 1p if there is no observer.
>
>   Roger does not understand my argument that the monads of string theory
> are effectively inextended despite they being uniformly distributed
> throughout the universe at a density of 10^90/cc because each monad
> maps the entire universe instantly and they collectively form a BEC.
> In addition they collectively possess Peano cosmic consciousness so
> that there is no need for a supreme monad. Richard
>
> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Roger Clough 
> <rcl...@verizon.net<javascript:>> 
> wrote:
> > Hi Richard Ruquist
> >
> > You still don't understand inextended variables. Since 1p
> > is inextended (it involves consciousness), 1p has no size,
> > so it could include an infinite number of universes.
> >
> >
> > [Roger Clough], [rcl...@verizon.net <javascript:>]
> > 12/5/2012
> > "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen
> >
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> > Time: 2012-12-03, 08:54:30
> > Subject: Re: Re: One cannot have 1p if there is no observer.
> >
> > RC,
> > So the entire universe can be in 1p at all times.
> > RR
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 7:49 AM, Roger Clough 
> > <rcl...@verizon.net<javascript:>> 
> wrote:
> >> Hi Richard Ruquist
> >>
> >> Yes, God is the supreme observer. See Leibniz.
> >> The supreme monad sees all clearly.
> >>
> >>
> >> [Roger Clough], [rcl...@verizon.net <javascript:>]
> >> 12/3/2012
> >> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen
> >>
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> >> Time: 2012-12-03, 05:59:05
> >> Subject: Re: One cannot have 1p if there is no observer.
> >>
> >> Roger,
> >>
> >> Isn't your god an observer?
> >> Richard
> >>
> >> On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 3:55 AM, Roger Clough 
> >> <rcl...@verizon.net<javascript:>> 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> One cannot have 1p if there is no observer.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> [Roger Clough], [rcl...@verizon.net <javascript:>]
> >>> 12/3/2012
> >>> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen
> >>>
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> >>> Time: 2012-12-01, 18:00:16
> >>> Subject: Re: Against Mechanism
> >>>
> >>> On 12/1/2012 12:52 PM, John Clark wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Again there is nothing special about an observer in this, the same 
> thing
> >>>> would happen if nobody looked at the film, or even if you used a brick
> >>>> wall
> >>>> instead of film, because the important thing is not that the photon
> >>>> makes
> >>>> a
> >>>> record (whatever that is) but simply that it is destroyed.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> > But you can do the experiment with electrons too, and the electrons
> >>>> > are
> >>>> > not destroyed.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Good point. If electrons are used in the two-split experiment a brick
> >>> wall
> >>> probably wouldn't do, you'd need a metal wall. Brick is a pretty good
> >>> insulator so you'd end up with 2 small negatively charged spots on the
> >>> wall
> >>> in slightly different places;
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> How would you get two charged spots? Would each have charge -e/2? The
> >>> experiment was originally done with photographic film, so that each
> >>> electron
> >>> ionized a silver halide atom resulting in a silver spot on the film. 
> Now
> >>> it's usually down is some kind of detector that amplifies the effect of
> >>> each
> >>> electron. Neither one has anything to do with destroying the electron.
> >>>
> >>> the walls would not be the same and so the 2 universes would not be the
> >>> same
> >>> and so they would not merge. However if it was a metal wall the 
> electrons
> >>> would just join the general sea of free electrons in the metal and 
> there
> >>> is
> >>> no way even in theory to tell one electron from another. So the walls
> >>> would
> >>> have the same charge and mass.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> But in an entangled electron pair experiment (EPR type) detecting the
> >>> path
> >>> of one electron destroys the interference pattern on the other leg. But
> >>> also just absorbing one electron destroys the interference on the other
> >>> leg.
> >>> To maintain the interference you have to absorb the electron at the 
> focal
> >>> point of a lens so that you not only don't detect the which-way
> >>> information,
> >>> you erase it.
> >>>
> >>> Brent
> >>>
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