Richard,
On 10 Dec 2012, at 16:17, Richard Ruquist wrote:
Roger Bruno,
How is consciousness related to god?
It seems like the beginning of an infinite god regression.
God = Truth (Plato). OK? With the CTM, arithmetical truth is enough
(and a tiny provable part is enough for the ontology).
I would say that consciousness is a form of knowledge.
Knowledge intersects belief and truth. (It is a private undefinable
notion, with CTM).
The knower in you is the "inner God", which is God restricted by the
universal window of your brain/body.
I don't know if God (truth) is conscious, but without God (truth) I
doubt I could be conscious, even if most of the content of my
consciousness is wrong (except on the indubitable fixed point, and
perhaops the sharablke oart of math, arithmetic, perhaps).
I have no certainties, and that is why I use the arithmetical
translation of Plotinus in such conversation, with
God = Arithmetical Truth
Believable = (sigma_1) provable = universal (Löbian) machine
Knowable = the same, but true (unlike proved) = the inner god = the
universal soul
intelligible matter = the same as 'believable", but together with
consistence
sensible matter = the same as intelligible matter, but as true
That gives eight modalities, as they divided by incompleteness (except
God and the Soul).
If Gödel's incompleteness theorem was wrong, all those modalities
would collapse. Despite the modalities extension is the same set of
arithmetical propositions, the machine cannot knows that, and this
change drastically the logic of the modalities.
Roughly speaking, "God" obeys classical logic, the "Universal Soul"
obeys intuitionist logic, and the two matters obeys (different)
quantum logics, perhaps even linear (with some luck!)
Bruno
Richard
On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 9:56 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be>
wrote:
On 10 Dec 2012, at 14:33, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Stephen P. King
God is what/who is looking through the supreme monad,
not the supreme monad itself.
Nice!
Even closer to CTM(*):
God is what/who is looking through the supreme monads,
not any supreme monad itself.
Bruno
(*) Alias comp, digital mechanism, .... CTM is for Computationalist
Theory
of Mind, and the "yes doctor" + Church thesis is among the weakest
assumptions. CTM acronym might be better than "comp" to avoid
confusion with
computationalist physicalism (digital physics, DP) which is sometimes
confused with comp. I have often explain why Digital Physics is
self-contradictory (or made us into zombie, eliminate consciousness
and
first person).
[Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]
12/10/2012
"Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen
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Subject: Re: Avoiding the use of the word God
On 12/9/2012 7:54 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote:
Roger,
The monads are collectively god
Dear Roger and Richard,
This is what I have come to believe about Monads as well. They
are
collectively God, they do not have an absolute hierarchy. Their
relation
is more like what we see in a neural network
That's is likely what Newton would believe
and most likely what Liebnitz really believed in
but was afraid to express.
Richard
On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 7:43 AM, Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net>
wrote:
Hi Richard Ruquist
Newton believed in numbers but was still a christian.
[Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]
12/9/2012
"Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen
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